n, which was acquired during a hack, reveals several key things:
1. Hillary has been replaced, and was replaced before the first debate. 2. Seth rich was murdered and David Brock knows who did it. 3. Correct the record was given NSA malware for the express purpose of ferreting out key people in alt media, locating their physical location, and killing them. This software was recklessly given to an army of correct the record trolls who busted into the computers of over a thousand top Trump supporting reddit users, and hundreds more chan users. 4. AS I ALWAYS SAID, Hillary lost every single online poll, and the polls were faked to show her winning. It is clearly stated here that despite doing well at the debate, Hillary's replacement still lost 100 PERCENT of ALL online polls and everyone at Correct the Record knew that. 5. Not everyone is aware of the entireity of the conspiracy, even people working deep within it. The syntax here proves it. 6. As I have said all along, there really is NSA malware that can get into your computer even if you never visit a malicious site, or click a link in an E-mail, or do anything else that is known to be able to infect a computer. My custom ROM chip is going to be replaced very soon, because it is obviously hacked. I'll make 20 of them this time, and swap them out regularly, and throw the used ones in the trash. I will also ditch the laptop battery, which has it's own processor for power management, and is definitely infected.
OK, so on to the transcript.
Begin Transcript ekim [5:52 AM]
ekim [5:52 AM] set the channel purpose: clean up this mes
brock [5:52 AM] joined post-debate from an invitation by @ekim
brock [5:53 AM] go round up the others. i need some coffee.
brock [5:54 AM] good morning to u to fink.
efink [5:55 AM] the only good thing about it was that whoever that was, she looked pretty good. how tf did they do that?
brock [5:56 AM]I can't talk. very hush hush. still, we've lost every online poll and we need to get tough here. get this under control.
[5:59] i don't see what's so bad. She looked really healthy! I thought she did GREAT!
efink [5:59 AM] she was scoring 3 on AMTS a couple of weeks ago and 22 on mmse. Yeah, whoever that was was normal.
MY COMMENT: Clearly here, you can see they know it was not Hillary at the debate.
[6:00] but the telemetry sucks. look at all the snap onlines: we're losing 100%
[6:00] romney v obama numbers
My comment: That proves they knew all the online polls were false, and had the real numbers in the background.
ekim [6:01 AM] but those don't mean anything
efink [6:01 AM] it means they're enthusiastic. organized. if they can swarm a poll whats to stop them swarming a voting booth?
[6:01] it also creates a counter-nar. the free press will sniff it. we have to stop the bleeding.
ekim [6:01 AM] k
efink [6:02 AM] don't worry. we have something. GET SHAW OUT OF BED.
[6:02] i'm going for coffee.
cshaw [6:05 AM] hello!
[6:06] hi Liz.
[6:06] I see we're not happy :disappointed:
brock [6:06 AM] Not at all.
cshaw [6:06 AM] I read the round-up. It looked good?
brock [6:07 AM] the round up my burning ass. Im talking about the real world. Trump made her look like a girl. Today we hit back. We hit back hard.
efink [6:07 AM] one sec.
[6:10] okay. guys, this is 18-2381 stuff. Got it?
cshaw [6:10 AM] yes
ekim [6:10 AM] yes sir.
efink [6:11 AM] alright. we need to move beyond the disruption scripts and down-voting. we need to start hurting people and that's what this is about. This is about winning because we'll never get a chance at this again. everything is justified. David?
brock [6:11 AM] dramatic.
[6:13] fuck-okay. so the Trump team is an emergent order. thirty million little chan and reddit assholes that bump around and then congeal to vote in a poll or push a meme or make a hashtag trend or whatever. This is new. It isn't like fighting a centrally organized campaign.
[6:13] It's more like fighting a disease.
[6:14] So what we need to do is break the pattern. The usual means isn't working. Trump's too charismatic. Morale is too high. This is an army of chaos folks.
[6:14] so we have full clearance. Word of God.
[6:15] Fink-let's do this. I have a plane to catch.
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ekim [6:16 AM] Ew.
cshaw [6:16 AM] i like it! wtf is it??
efink [6:17 AM] This is manna from heaven, kids.
[6:18] We have the use of an NSA intrusion package. We are going to find the thought leaders. the meme-generators. the shit-posters. I need a target analysis for reddit, twitter, and the chans by tomorrow 5 PM.
[6:18] You will monitor, identify, and using the FA [foxacid] software set we have, identify/dox.
cshaw [6:18 AM] that will dox them??
efink [6:20 AM] It will man-on-the-side for the anon boards and intercept traffic. We can use that for IP addresses and loading tracking software and magic lantern onto their devices. Once we have them compromised
[6:20] David? How many do we need?
brock [6:21 AM] I want 150 from 4chan, whatever you can get from 8. I want 1000 top reddit drivers exposed and I want content analysis for their posts. I want the people who are really driving their narrative.
[6:22] I need all that in a packet by tomorrow afternoon with lexical analysis, proof of compromise. I want clips of memes. I want to up-vote patterns. All this has to be inside the US too. We can't use externals.
cshaw [6:23 AM] It won't work outside the US?
efink [6:23 AM] It works fine outside the us you idiot. That's NSA stuff.
brock [6:24 AM] WE don't work outside the US. Do you think this is fucking bean-bag?
[6:24] We are going to disrupt them before this shit goes any further.
[6:24] if they don't have leaders, we're going to get their thought leaders.
cshaw [6:24 AM] like pajama boy!
brock [6:25 AM] I AM NOT N THE MOOD cshaw
cshaw [6:25 AM] sorry
efink [6:26 AM] just get us the target profiles. Hit the numbers. Give us a matrix for each of them. Okay? PII, influence grid, recent activity, Q-rate. Like that.
[6:26] You know what to do.
cshaw [6:26 AM] Yes sir.
ekim [6:26 AM] What are we going to do with that?
brock [6:27 AM] do u really want to fucking know, kim?
ekim [6:27 AM] i'm good.
brock [6:28 AM] u better be. I am going to get a plane. You will be up ALL NIGHT. Keep the lab LOCKED. Fink bring in pizza or whatever to keep the kids going.
[6:30] Get those files together.
ekim [6:30 AM] I'm on it. Do you know what brock is going to do with them? I do kind of want to know, sir.
efink [6:31 AM] google Seth Rich and shut up about it.
cshaw [6:31 AM] OOg.
[6:32] well, they are deplorable. idk. I think we should have done this a long time ago.…
e National Security Agency is racing to build a computer that could break nearly every kind of encryption used to protect banking, medical, business and government records around the world.
According to documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, the effort to build “a cryptologically useful quantum computer” — a machine exponentially faster than classical computers — is part of a $79.7 million research program titled “Penetrating Hard Targets.” Much of the work is hosted under classified contracts at a laboratory in College Park, Md.
[Read an annotated description of the Penetrating Hard Targets project]
The development of a quantum computer has long been a goal of many in the scientific community, with revolutionary implications for fields such as medicine as well as for the NSA’s code-breaking mission. With such technology, all current forms of public key encryption would be broken, including those used on many secure Web sites as well as the type used to protect state secrets.
Physicists and computer scientists have long speculated about whether the NSA’s efforts are more advanced than those of the best civilian labs. Although the full extent of the agency’s research remains unknown, the documents provided by Snowden suggest that the NSA is no closer to success than others in the scientific community.
“It seems improbable that the NSA could be that far ahead of the open world without anybody knowing it,” said Scott Aaronson, an associate professor of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
The NSA appears to regard itself as running neck and neck with quantum computing labs sponsored by the European Union and the Swiss government, with steady progress but little prospect of an immediate breakthrough.
“The geographic scope has narrowed from a global effort to a discrete focus on the European Union and Switzerland,” one NSA document states.
Seth Lloyd, an MIT professor of quantum mechanical engineering, said the NSA’s focus is not misplaced. “The E.U. and Switzerland have made significant advances over the last decade and have caught up to the U.S. in quantum computing technology,” he said.
The NSA declined to comment for this article.
The documents, however, indicate that the agency carries out some of its research in large, shielded rooms known as Faraday cages, which are designed to prevent electromagnetic energy from coming in or out. Those, according to one brief description, are required “to keep delicate quantum computing experiments running.”
[Read a document describing classification levels related to quantum computing efforts]
The basic principle underlying quantum computing is known as “quantum superposition,” the idea that an object simultaneously exists in all states. A classical computer uses binary bits, which are either zeroes or ones. A quantum computer uses quantum bits, or qubits, which are simultaneously zero and one.
This seeming impossibility is part of the mystery that lies at the heart of quantum theory, which even theoretical physicists say no one completely understands.
“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics,” said the late Nobel laureate Richard Feynman, who is widely regarded as the pioneer in quantum computing.
Here’s how it works, in theory: While a classical computer, however fast, must do one calculation at a time, a quantum computer can sometimes avoid having to make calculations that are unnecessary to solving a problem. That allows it to home in on the correct answer much more quickly and efficiently.
Quantum computing is difficult to attain because of the fragile nature of such computers. In theory, the building blocks of such a computer might include individual atoms, photons or electrons. To maintain the quantum nature of the computer, these particles would need to be carefully isolated from their external environments.
“Quantum computers are extremely delicate, so if you don’t protect them from their environment, then the computation will be useless,” said Daniel Lidar, a professor of electrical engineering and the director of the Center for Quantum Information Science and Technology at the University of Southern California.
A working quantum computer would open the door to easily breaking the strongest encryption tools in use today, including a standard known as RSA, named for the initials of its creators. RSA scrambles communications, making them unreadable to anyone but the intended recipient, without requiring the use of a shared password. It is commonly used in Web browsers to secure financial transactions and in encrypted e-mails. RSA is used because of the difficulty of factoring the product of two large prime numbers. Breaking the encryption involves finding those two numbers. This cannot be done in a reasonable amount of time on a classical computer.
In 2009, computer scientists using classical methods were able to discover the primes within a 768-bit number, but it took almost two years and hundreds of computers to factor it. The scientists estimated that it would take 1,000 times longer to break a 1,024-bit encryption key, which is commonly used for online transactions.
A large-scale quantum computer, however, could theoretically break a 1,024-bit encryption much faster. Some leading Internet companies are moving to 2,048-bit keys, but even those are thought to be vulnerable to rapid decryption with a quantum computer.
Quantum computers have many applications for today’s scientific community, including the creation of artificial intelligence. But the NSA fears the implications for national security.
“The application of quantum technologies to encryption algorithms threatens to dramatically impact the US government’s ability to both protect its communications and eavesdrop on the communications of foreign governments,” according to an internal document provided by Snowden.
Experts are not sure how soon a quantum computer would be feasible. A decade ago, some experts said that developing a large quantum computer was likely 10 to 100 years in the future. Five years ago, Lloyd said the goal was at least 10 years away.
Last year, Jeff Forshaw, a professor at the University of Manchester, told Britain’s Guardian newspaper, “It is probably too soon to speculate on when the first full-scale quantum computer will be built but recent progress indicates that there is every reason to be optimistic.”
“I don’t think we’re likely to have the type of quantum computer the NSA wants within at least five years, in the absence of a significant breakthrough maybe much longer,” Lloyd told The Washington Post in a recent interview.
Some companies, however, claim to already be producing small quantum computers. A Canadian firm, D-Wave Systems , says it has been making quantum computers since 2009. In 2012, it sold a $10 million version to Google, NASA and the Universities Space Research Association, according to news reports.
That quantum computer, however, would never be useful for breaking public key encryption like RSA.
“Even if everything they’re claiming is correct, that computer, by its design, cannot run Shor’s algorithm,” said Matthew Green, a research professor at the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute, referring to the algorithm that could be used to break encryption like RSA.
Experts think that one of the largest hurdles to breaking encryption with a quantum computer is building a computer with enough qubits, which is difficult given the very fragile state of quantum computers. By the end of September, the NSA expected to be able to have some building blocks, which it described in a document as “dynamical decoupling and complete quantum control on two semiconductor qubits.”
“That’s a great step, but it’s a pretty small step on the road to building a large-scale quantum computer,” Lloyd said.
A quantum computer capable of breaking cryptography would need hundreds or thousands more qubits than that.
The budget for the National Intelligence Program, commonly referred to as the “black budget,” details the “Penetrating Hard Targets” project and noted that this step “will enable initial scaling towards large systems in related and follow-on efforts.”
Another project, called “Owning the Net,” is using quantum research to support the creation of quantum-based attacks on encryptions like RSA, documents show.
“The irony of quantum computing is that if you can imagine someone building a quantum computer that can break encryption a few decades into the future, then you need to be worried right now,” Lidar said.
sh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
"And you don't understand why I have doubts?"
"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" Pope Leo X (As attributed by John Bale, Bishop of Ossory, in The Pageant of Popes, p. 179, 1574)
"I am surrounded by priests who repeat incessantly that their kingdom is not of this world, and yet they lay their hands on everything they can get." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. ~ Denis Diderot
Many have made a trade of delusions and false miracles, deceiving the stupid multitudes. ~ Leonardo da Vinci
Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes! ~ Leonardo da Vinci
Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life ... but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right. ~ Chuck Easttom
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. -- Marcus Aurelius
You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do. ~ [Usenet]
"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history." -Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love, Robert A. Heinlein
"The same people that wrote the bible thought the world was flat. " ~ Unknown
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called 'insanity'. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called 'religion.'" -- Robert Pirsig
"Here is the difference between religion and science. Science is going outside your house at night and seeing here is one large moon orbiting the Earth. No matter where on Earth you are, you know there is one and only one large moon orbiting the Earth. Religion is this tribe over here worshiping one god and this other tribe worshiping 3 gods and this other tribe way over there worshiping 17 gods." -- Michael Rivero
"Religion is for people who want to pretend to know what is going on but are too lazy to go out and actually find out anything because it is easier to burn the heretics." -- Michael Rivero
"Any god that requires small minded bigots to speak for it, is not worth the breath it takes to pray." -- Jesper Myrfors
"Religion is notorious for conceiving an idea and trying to make it true, either by propaganda or sometimes force...while science makes a discovery and immediately sets about trying to disprove it, just to make sure it's correct before everybody makes idiots of themselves" -- Seth MacFarlane
"History shows that the moral and ethical guides that most of us live by did not originate with the monotheistic religions, as proponents of those religions would have us believe. Instead, moral behaviour appears to have evolved socially." -- Victor Stenger
"If it wasn't for the Inquisition, I would have been a rich Hollywood Jew today!" -- Michael Rivero
*Child Molestation scandals located HERE
Religion, comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion. ~ Sigmund Freud
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches ... appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -- Thomas Paine
"Given the runaway epidemic of child sexual molestation by the clergy, it could be argued that school prayer represents endangerment of children by encouraging them to associate with these known sexual predators!" -- Michael Rivero
Quite a few people have asked why I put this page together. They argue that even if I am correct, and that there are no gods, what can the harm be in letting others believe in gods and goddesses.
My answer is that I have no problem with people believing what they want, so long as their beliefs are NOT used as an excuse to inflict harm upon others, extract wealth from them, enslave them, or to justify wars. My problem is with organizations created solely to exploit myths and beliefs for wealth and commercial power. History proves that religion is a tool of human enslavement. Even the Bible approves of slavery.
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have; you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons and after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over the other, with harshness.
No religion has ever set its followers free from the oppressions of the organized hierarchy of that religion (with the possible exception of the historical Jesus himself). Religion teaches unquestioning obedience. Religion is slavery. I oppose such slavery as earnestly and staunchly as my ancestors opposed the slave ships and the slave policies of the Confederacy.
I am not anti god (for one can hardly oppose something which does not exist). I simply wish to set people free from all forms of oppression and exploitation.
The ruling elite loves a population trained from birth to confuse beliefs with the real world. It is much easier to rule a population, pillage them with taxes, or send them off to fight a war, if the ruler is not required to prove the reality of his or her propositions and statements. This is why, since the dawn of civilizations, governments encourage their people to be ruled by beliefs and not by reason. As children, we are bribed to allow beliefs to rule our thinking. Believe in the fat man from the north Pole, get a bicycle. Believe in the rabbit, get candy. Believe in the tooth fairy, get a quarter. Never question, never think, never analyze; just take your goodies and go on believing.
It takes chains of steel to enslave a rational human, but all the rest may be enslaved by a belief.
We, on our side, are praying to Him to give us victory, because we believe we are right; but those on the other side pray to Him, too, for victory, believing they are right. What must He think of us? ~ Abraham Lincoln
Just the beginning of this fabulous article by Mike Rivero
Rest of it here…
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The Clinton Foundation is accused of raising charity money for Haiti, but not actually spending it on any other activity than the procurement of women and children to serve as sex slaves. Bill Clinton, in his UN role, as some kind of kingpin-ambassador to Haiti, was key to the early release of Laura Silsby, who was arrested for attempting to kidnap children from Haiti, some of whom were not orphans. Silsby’s lawyers were also involved in the sex trafficking of women and children. The exposé of Bill Clinton’s intervention is understood to be the precursor to the #pizzagate scandal.
Clinton was a frequenter of Jeffrey Epstein’s Island and connoisseur of Epstein’s personal jet, otherwise known as Lolita Express. Jeffrey Epstein is the American financier who served time for soliciting under age girls for prostitution. Famously, Esptein’s ‘Black Book’ was disclosed to the Federal Court of Southern Florida in January 2015. – this contained his contact list, and includes the British Royal Family, the Saudi Royal Family, the Rothschilds, Tony Blair and David Cameron as well as many celebrities, BBC personalities and news anchormen and other VIPs.
From Lolita to Podesta
The emails of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta, were released to Wikileaks by Seth Rich, who was later murdered. Podesta’s emails are now public domain and close scrutiny shows many references to ‘Pizza’ and other foodstuffs, that are known codewords used by paedophiles to each other. Many disturbing pictures were discovered in Podesta’s pornography collection, including this:
There is a substantial body of analysis by third parties that show Podesta is a sadistic paedophile and was involved in supplying under-age children to former President Obama. The conspiracy is known as #pizzagate and its generalization on the global stage is known as #pedogate. The lead editor of the #Pizzagate Wikipedia page, which claims the allegations against Podesta are debunked, is one Petri Kohn, Finnish Anti-Fascist and Stalinist, as pictured here:
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Another editor, Andrew Lih, who also claims #Pizzagate is discredited, in the same web-page, is shown below. Mr Lih is a Chinese citizen, and works with the Chinese Communist government to censor the Chinese version of Wikipedia. One wonders why Wikipedia or the US government allow him to edit US Wikipedia entries, particularly when the subject matter is a conspiracy that involves the Clinton Foundation to which China contributes significant money.
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Enter the Blue Iron Eagle
Barclays is well known as a major contributor to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) – it has hosted Democrat Party meetings .and paid significant sums for Bill Clinton to make speeches. The Barclays paedophile connection is herein elucidated.
In an article in the Mail on Sunday, dated 24th October 2015, it was revealed that Jes Staley, the current CEO of Barclays, won his position after lobbying from Jeffrey Epstein. A number of Mr Staley’s phone numbers appear in Epstein’s Black Book and it is believed Staley met Epstein in the latter’s apartment in 2012. The Mail claims that the UK Treasury, the Bank of England, and Chancellor of the Exchequer, – George Osborne, all opposed Staley’s appointment as CEO, and this was somehow leaked to Epstein. Epstein appears to have threatened the UK, in an email stating that Barclays would suffer were Staley not appointed CEO. (If you are to be a master of the world, first be a master of your own paedophile ring).
In April 2017 Staley was exposed by the press for having used an internal surveillance and security team to identify whistle blowers at the bank who had identified frauds and reported anonymously to Barclays’ board. It is curious that the CEO of the bank does not want his immediate underlings to understand what illicit things the bank is doing. Staley was reprimanded by the board and suffered a pay cut. However, there is no act of criminality that cannot be balanced out without a suitable advocacy of some politically correct cause or other…
A quick perusal of the Barclays home page shows a banner promoting Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights (LGBT) and this should come as no surprise when Staley is a self-confessed ‘diversity’ proponent. It is exactly what one would expect from a man who counts paedophiles amongst his business associates – particularly homosexual paedophiles, such as John Podesta. It is not really a bank’s job to push any kind of sexual or political agenda, but in Staley’s mind financial function and sexual disposition are confused.
Gold riggers and their Paedophile Friends in Establishment
Recently JP Morgan’s strike-out of a precious metal rigging lawsuit was overturned. This reversal-of-fotunes is mirrored – with Deutsche Bank, UBS, Barclays, HSBC, Société Générale and Scotiabank, all of whom seem to be incriminated by recent court cases. Staley as an Ex-JPM executive would know. A year prior to his appointment, Barclays, HSBC, RBS, UBS, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup and JP Morgan were hit by an antitrust lawsuit from me (B40BM021) in the UK under the Birmingham Mercantile Court. HSBC attempted to have that lawsuit quashed from the outset, having filed a restraining order in December 2014. The application did not go through until the first hearing for B40BM021 on the 16h of July 2015.
The defendants would ideally have wanted the restraining order before they were forced to submit a defence, because the defence incriminates them for perjury and conspiracy to commit fraud. Given that Deutsche Bank exposed HSBC in its disclosures and HSBC’s name is on the restraining order as sole applicant, then HSBC executives would have to know signing that order incriminated themselves for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. Their solution was to have the judge, Simon Brown QC, appear to have established a restraining order of his own volition. The problem is that Brown signed HSBC’s application – thus contradicting his own statements signed in that order. All sides knew that Anshu Jain, former CEO of Deutsche Bank, could not prove the merits of his own audits when challenged, so could not risk attending his own hearing. Brown used my demand that Jain attend his own hearing as justification for a restraining order – which is about an egregious a violation of civil rights to a fair hearing as can be.
Simon Brown was thus proven a blatantly corrupt judge the pertinent question is of leverage. We know that his misconduct was covered up all the way to the top, including the office of the Attorney General; the office of the Lord Chancellor; the Treasury Select Committee; the Justice Select Committee; the Serious Fraud Office; the Financial Conduct Authority; the Judicial Appointments and Conduct Ombudsman; and the office of the Lord Chief Justice.
Enter Jes Staley – fresh from JP Morgan, a co-defendant, and with Epstein’s network to hand.
Who would Epstein have contacted to guarantee collusion of all legal agencies to cover up the bank frauds? The most natural supposition is David Cameron. Cameron was listed in Epstein’s Black Book. Cameron was also a friend of the Clintons. Under Cameron’s watch many investigations against paedophiles went nowhere, dossiers were lost and prosecutions terminated. If a Westminster paedophile ring with a Clinton/Podesta/Epstein connection were vulnerable to blackmail by Epstein, it is all too easy to see how Staley could have sealed the fate of the lawsuit with a single phone call. Whether this happened or not, whether it was a plain bribe or secret society handshake, the power behind the corruption had to be sufficient to keep both the UK Judiciary and Parliament in check. A single bribe does not seem sufficient for that purpose.
The Saudi / Qatar Connection
Barclays executives have recently been prosecuted for loaning Qatar money to buy back Barclay’s shares, to create the illusion of fake confidence in their own value, a fraud with many facets. At least one of the defendants in the prosecution is facing 22 years in prison. Strangely enough Staley, CEO of Barclays, was in more of a position to understand the fraud than almost everyone else – yet he was not arrested. Again, is this the Epstein circle of friends granting effective immunity to the Rule of Law?
Deutsche Bank are part owned by Qatar, and Qatar are known funders of ISIS to the tune of billions. The Saudis, linked to Epstein, were major contributors to the Clinton Foundation, and are also known to fund an equip ISIS. It is funny how Staley and the Saudis, on opposite sides of the LGBT thing, both think the Clinton Foundation, with its child trafficking, as something they need to support. (I have trouble trying to remember that witty/profound/poignant anecdote from the mouth of a Clinton. Who are these people who attend their speeches?)
Tony Blair, also a friend of the Clintons, and listed in Epstein’s Black Book, seems to have a cushy job running Middle East trade contracts for JP Morgan. The evidence suggests Deutsche Bank and Barclays, as part of their gold rigging cartel and money laundering operation, were supplying Qatar with gold to fund ISIS. The UK government seems intent on destroying Syria, bringing in the ISIS fighters into Europe, and then giving them free reign to pulverise our cities, under the pretext that its part of the war against ‘Lone Wolf White Supremacists.’ MI-5 were known to have let the Manchester bomber blow up children, and cover-up the racial and religious profile of the culprit – yet May wants more control of the Internet – so that the intelligence services can ‘protect us from terrorism.’ Is it any surprise support for May barely registers in single digits. (Perhaps her Internet regulation could be enacted in Parliament under the name of WannaCry API).
Since the Brexit vote, Cameron stepped down and Theresa May took his place. Her Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss MP, did not concern herself at all that the courts were corrupted by the banking system. It is not the only thing she managed to conceal from Parliament – she was exposed in an article by the Mail on Sunday on the 25th of June 2017 for having helped the Ministry of Justice bury a report that showed its own policies were increasing the re-offending rates of paedophiles. One might figure the person with the ultimate responsibility for the cover-up on the judicial side to be the Lord Chief Justice, Baron Thomas, the same man I accused of having covered up gold rigging in my lawsuit. But Lord Chief Justices can do no wrong.
Peter Wanless of the NSPCC was reported in January of 2017 that the government was ‘dragging its feet’ bringing in legislation against paedophiles. All of this suggests May deliberately chooses someone weak – or even affectionate – to the Westminster paedophile ring to act as Lord Chancellor. David Lidington, Truss’ successor, likewise ignored the corruption in the Ministry of Justice, having delegated the task of judging the allegations to the Ministry itself – clear dereliction of duty. He will have a critical role determining the next Lord Chief Justice in September 2017. One can assume the new boss will be as paedophile-friendly as the old boss.
HSBC’s restraining order runs out on the 16th of July 2017 – just over a week from the time of writing. I think it will be difficult to find a judge corrupt enough to extend it. I plan on having the court’s earlier verdicts all struck out, on the basis defendants lied. I am going through the process of retrieving the Deutsche Bank disclosures that incriminated Barclays, HSBC and UBS. Throughout the past year I have come into contact with people in a similar situation to myself, all defrauded by a corrupt legal system in which every complaint procedure is rigged at every level. What we have discovered is a mine of information mapping out the judges’ paedophile network. The Internet and its courageous citizen-journalists are about to strike: the Ministry of Justice may be about to fall.
.. .Far Rockaway?
HAIM KATZ: Belle Harbor.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Belle Harbor. I'm trying to get this list together. Would you ever get into the city?
HAIM KATZ: Sure, I do. Sure, you come frequently?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well I come in from time to time. I have an office there, at AIPAC in the city. You know, I want you to understand . . . where did you get my name and phone number?
HAIM KATZ: Oh, I, um, I called AIPAC. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah.
HAIM KATZ: And ahh. . .I know you're the president of AIPAC...
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You should understand that, the political information that I gave you, those are personal choices . . .
HAIM KATZ: Sure, I understand.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: AIPAC does not rate or endorse candidates, does not solicit money. . .
HAIM KATZ: Yeah, look.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I want you to understand that the choices I would give you are personal choices.
HAIM KATZ: I understand.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I wonder if before . . . I want to get together with you next week.
HAIM KATZ: Next week would be fine.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: But in the meantime, I wonder if I can have one of my people get together with you and talk to you about it . . . They'll want to meet you and know who you are and all this. I have a.. . maybe if I can have Seth Buchwald call you, my New York director.
HAIM KATZ: That would be terrific.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: And we have a guy out there, Joel Schnur. And, are you orthodox?
HAIM KATZ: Ah, yes.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Okay, Joel is orthodox too. I am not.
HAIM KATZ: You're reform or?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I'm reform.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, let me just say. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I was raised orthodox but I'm reform.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, let me just tell you that, I'll just hold you a minute. I'll be happy to meet with them, I know, I've heard the names, I'd be happy to meet with them, as a matter of fact I could, when I'm in Manhattan...Are you ever in Manhattan?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Sure, today I'm going to be there, but I can't. I'm meeting with the ambassador.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, I'll just ask you very very quickly. You know, like, in New York, you know, this is your own personal opinion, like in New York we have Abrams against D'Amato.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well, let me tell you what my personal position is. Okay?
HAIM KATZ: Yeah.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: From a Jewish point of view, I believe in political loyalty.
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: And if someone has been good for Israel, no matter who, if my brother would run against them, I would support them because they'd been good to Israel because that's an important message to people.
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: What I'm going to be doing for you. . .
HAIM KATZ: Now D'Amato, has he been good for Israel?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You couldn't have a better . . . listen I think Abrams would be good too, but that's not the message.
HAIM KATZ: Yeah.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Ah...
HAIM KATZ: So the message, so the message is that ah...I agree with you all the way, that if somebody's been good for Israel, I'll take D'Amato. But you have no complaints with D'Amato?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I have no complaints with D'Amato.
HAIM KATZ: Uh huh, so and ah, you know, let me tell you, Abrams might be, might be too liberal. I don't know if Abrams supported, let's say the ah, the war against Iraq.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, I don't know, and ah, I don't know. But all I know is if I have a guy who is there and he's doing it, then I don't want to change, you know?
HAIM KATZ: Right. Let me ask you this very quickly and then I will. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I'm going to have Seth call you because in the meantime I'm going to be preparing this list, what I'm doing is, I've asked my friends AIPAC in the various campaigns, I've made about 30 calls, what I'm trying to put together who needs AIPAC it the most, you know? Because you could dissipate a million dollars, but the point is to put it where it's going to do the most, I know Bob Kasten, who's been an outstanding friend and needs AIPAC it I know. . .
HAIM KATZ: Excuse my ignorance. Bob Kasten is what state?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: From Wisconsin. . .
HAIM KATZ: Okay, is he Jewish?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: . . .He's for loan guarantees, he happens to be a Republican.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, and but, he's good? He's. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You couldn't have better.
HAIM KATZ: Is Kasten, Kasten's been very, very good and he's in trouble?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He's in big trouble. Les Aspin, who's the Chairman of the Military Appropriations, a Democrat also from Wisconsin is really [unintelligible].
HAIM KATZ: You mean, Les Aspin is in trouble?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: In big trouble.
HAIM KATZ: I can't believe it. I mean, I don't, I don't follow . . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well see, what happened was, you know ah, when you get to know me, I'll put you on my list and I'll be sending all these things. A wealthy businessman decided to run, using all his own money. Aspin, 'cause they sit on the finance committee for Aspin. . .
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: . ..programmed the last two weeks of, well the last month of the campaign, for TV. This guy came in two months early and we didn't have the money budgeted, so we're out scratching around to raise money for him. So we, heck, I told him, I said that I'd go, I'll sign on the bank on a loan for you, you know, that's how important it is.
HAIM KATZ: Unbelievable. You know I read, I won't hold you long, but I'd just tell you this. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: That's okay.
HAIM KATZ: . . .I'll just tell you this, I read the New York Post, and I don't even read the papers too much, I don't follow politics . . . are you ready for this?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah.
HAIM KATZ: Get ready for this. I read in the papers this morning, I think it was the (NY) Post, Barbara Boxer, in California. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah.
HAIM KATZ: . ..do you know who she is?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I know who...
HAIM KATZ: She's originally from, ah. . . New York I think. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: A friend of yours?
HAIM KATZ: No, no, no. She's not a friend of mine, but she, ah, I think she's in trouble.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yean, that's ah, in that race we're okay either way, 'cause Bruce Herschensohn, who she's running against, is Jewish, and he's very strong on our issues.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, but Herschensohn.. .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Herschensohn's a very conservative Republican.
HAIM KATZ: You know, he's come out of nowhere. He was like 30 points behind.. .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Right.
HAIM KATZ: He's come out of nowhere with it.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Because the truth of the matter is, she didn't always vote for foreign aid. We had a big meeting, I had a program in L.A. I had all four senatorial candidates there, and he ripped her apart. She has always voted against foreign and.
HAIM KATZ: What about the one, in ah, the one in. . . um, what's his name? I read it in the paper, it's just a shocker, politics is a crazy game. The black woman in Chicago. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Carol Moseley Braun?
HAIM KATZ: She was going to win by 50 points. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Oh it's down, she took the money, it's a big problem.
HAIM KATZ: It's a big problem with her. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: And we have a problem with another good friend. You know Daniel Inouye, from Hawaii he's one of our best friends AIPAC. It was Kasten-Inouye on the loan guarantees, Kasten-Inouye and Leahy.. .
HAIM KATZ: I heard, I saw it on, I know Inouye's in trouble because of, he sexually harassed his hairdresser. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We commissioned a poll and got some people, and I've got to raise $27,000 to pay for the poll . . . so I have, so what I'm trying to do is make a priority list, because I don't know how far you want to go. . . how old are your kids AIPAC by the way? . . . You had three children that could write checks, do they have their own checking accounts?
HAIM KATZ: Yes.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Oh, so that's not going to be. . .
HAIM KATZ: How old do they have to be?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: They can't be one year old.
HAIM KATZ: I mean, could they be 18, 17?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Sure, no problem, so they could make, nobody's going to bother you, but if you had infants, a four-year-old, let's say, it's not a contest.
HAIM KATZ: Let me tell you, I was planning, I was planning to, to . . . Inouye, by the way, is in real trouble? He's been there forever. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah! Well, we might lose him. There's been such a sea change, such trouble this year, I can't believe all our friends AIPAC that are in trouble. Because there's an anti-incumbency mood, and foreign aid has not been popular. You know what I got for, I met with [U.S. Secretary of State] Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear. . .
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.
HAIM KATZ: Such as?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: $700 million in military draw-down, from equipment that the United States Army's going to give to Israel; $200 million the U.S. government is going to preposition materials in Israel, which Israel can draw upon; put them in the global warning protection system; so when if there's a missile fired, they'll get the same advanced notification that the U.S., is notified, joint military exercises—I've got a whole shopping list of things.
HAIM KATZ: So this is from Baker?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: From Baker and from the Pentagon.
HAIM KATZ: So, not so, not.. .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Why did he do it, you know, why did he do it? Last year I was a bum. This year I said look Jim, we're going to fight on the F-l5s. Israel doesn't want to fight, I said, but some people on it are going to come up on the floor of the Senate and the House and they're going to fight. If you'll do this, I think I can hold them back. But you've got to do it right away. They didn't want to fight. I said, "You don't want a fight before the election. It's going to hurt Bush. We don't want a fight before the election. We don't want to fight at all. Why can't we work something out?" So we cut a deal. You can't repeat this.
HAIM KATZ: You're right. But you met with Baker. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Personally.
HAIM KATZ: Personally. Because you know, he's the one who cursed, who cursed the Jews.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Of course, do you think I'm ever going to forgive him for that?
HAIM KATZ: Unbelievable. I said...
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Do you think I could ever forgive Bush for what he did September 12th a year ago? What he said about the Jews for lobbying in Washington?
HAIM KATZ: Do you think that Baker has a legitimate concern for the Jews? From what I hear, do you think he's anti-Semitic?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I wouldn't go so far as to say that. He's a pragmatic businessman, he's a very tough lawyer. He does whatever it takes.
HAIM KATZ: And that's why.. .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: If we didn't have an election this year, you would get [unintelligible] from him.
HAIM KATZ: Let me ask you a quick question. Just a quick question here. You know Perot, you know, I'm telling you this is scary. I don't know what you think of Perot, but if Perot hadn't backed out, I watched the debates. I thought Perot did marvelous in the debates.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He doesn't know how to govern. He's not going to make it. And there was an incident where his daughter was going out with a Jewish professor at school and he said, "I wouldn't have my daughter marry a Jew."
HAIM KATZ: So Perot, they say that if Perot hadn't backed out in July, and if he would have gotten himself a good running mate, you know . . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He wouldn't win, but it would go to the House of Representatives. The Democrats would win in the House of Representatives.
HAIM KATZ: So if it goes to the House, the Democrats would win for sure.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: For sure.
HAIM KATZ: Okay let me ask you, last question and then I'll be happy to meet with your New York people. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You know, you sound like my kind of guy. How old are you?
HAIM KATZ: Forty-two.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You're a kid.
HAIM KATZ: I'm not a kid, I'm 42. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I'm 63, you're a kid.
HAIM KATZ: I wish I was...
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We'll have to get you involved. I like you, we have a lot to talk about, about real estate, you know, I have so many great activities going on at AIPAC, you ought to think about coming to some of these things. I'll have a dinner this fall. I'll have 18-20 senators there. I run programs in Washington. We just had a, I had at Ted Kennedy's house last month kosher dinner. I brought foremost caterers down. I had 60 people on the couch for dinner. Last year, I did it in Al Gore's house.
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Those are the things you should be getting involved in and knowing what's going on. . .
HAIM KATZ: Let me just ask you about Clinton. I want to tell you, you may not believe this, but I think that if Perot. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, he would've given us a hard time. What's the name of your company, what do you do business as?
HAIM KATZ: We do business as HAIM KATZ, Inc.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: HAIM KATZ, Inc.?
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Do you have a street address?
HAIM KATZ: Sure. 621 Beach 129th Street, Belle Harbor, Queens, New York, 11694.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, because on my computer you only show a post office box. This is your house? You work out of your house?
HAIM KATZ: Yeah, out of an office in the house. . . Look, Mr. Steiner...
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: David. My father's Mr. Steiner.
HAIM KATZ: David, let me just ask you about Clinton. Honestly, what do you feel about Clinton?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well, I've known Bill Clinton for seven eight years. I think he's got to be a lot better than George Bush. . . we have a lot of people in there. But he doesn't need money, he really doesn't need money. I'm a trustee of the Democratic National Committee. We collected $63 million for him so far.
HAIM KATZ: Who's collected $63 million?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign have raised $63 million.
HAIM KATZ: So they've already raised $63 million, so they don't need money.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: No, we need money, like we got a guy, Byron Dorgan, in North Dakota, who's going to be very good for us and we need money to make sure that he gets in. We've got people like that, because [unintelligible], whatever you give them would be a tickle on the elephant's behind. But when you give $5,000 or $10,000 to Bob Kasten, that's very meaningful.
HAIM KATZ: Let me ask you, I understand what you're saying. Clinton, when Clinton first started running a year ago, did he need money at that time?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yes he did.
HAIM KATZ: I mean, did you help him out, 'cause that's the time. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I personally am not allowed, as president of AIPAC, to get involved in the presidential campaign, because I have to deal with whoever wins. You know, I've got to go see Bush if he's there, but I helped him, we raised over a million dollars for him in New Jersey.
HAIM KATZ: For Clinton?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: For Clinton.
HAIM KATZ: And this was when, in the beginning?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: In the beginning, yes. After he won, before the convention.
HAIM KATZ: This is before the convention?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Oh sure.
HAIM KATZ: Okay, let me ask you, you know, T
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We've also raised for other guys who are running too, because they're friends AIPAC. Harkin, the senator, you know you have to be with everybody.
HAIM KATZ: Let me ask you, [talks about getting cheated in business by Gentiles]. Let me ask you, Clinton, if he becomes, I mean what will he do for Israel, better than Bush, if he becomes, I know Bush gave you a hard time, this and that. ..
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I'II tell you, I have frienDavid Steiner AIPAC on the Clinton campaign, close associates. Gore is very committed to us.
HAIM KATZ: Right. Clinton if he, have you spoken to him?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I've known Bill for seven, eight years from the National Governors Association. I know him on a personal basis. I have friends AIPAC. One of my friends AIPAC is Hillary Clinton's scheduler, one of my officer's daughters works there. We gave two employees from AIPAC leave of absences to work on the campaign. I mean, we have a dozen people in that campaign, in the headquarters.
HAIM KATZ: You mean in Little Rock?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: In Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs. We have friends AIPAC. I also work with a think tank, the Washington Institute. I have Michael Mandelbaum and Martin Indyk being foreign policy advisers. Steve Speigel—we've got frienDavid Steiner AIPAC—this is my business.
HAIM KATZ: I understand, David.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: It's very complicated and the more you get into it, you'll love it. You sound like a smart guy.
HAIM KATZ: I'm a smart guy, but I have a, maybe because I'm more orthodox than you are, I've had bad experiences with Gentiles. Let me ask you, you know what "tachlis" means?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, sure.
HAIM KATZ: From a practical point of view, if Clinton wins the presidency, and I'm sure he will, I hope so at least, what will be the benefits to Israel better than Bush? From a very practical point . . . I mean, you just told me that Bush gave you everything you wanted. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Only, not everything, at the end, when we didn't want the F-l5s, that's a terrible thing.
HAIM KATZ: Selling the F-l5s? If Clinton is elected. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Let me tell you the problem with the $10 billion in loan guarantees, right? We only have the first year. We have authorization from Congress, but it's at the discretion of the president every year thereafter, so if Bush is there, he could say, you know, use it as a club, you know. 'If you don't give up Syria, I won't give you the money. If you don't give up the Golan Heights.' It's at the discretion of the president. And that's why we need a friendly president and we have Bill Clinton's ear. I talked to Bill Clinton.
HAIM KATZ: And Bill Clinton has made a commitment that if he's elected . . . ?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He's going to be very good for us.
HAIM KATZ: And he'll go ahead with the loan guarantees?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We didn't talk about that specifically, listen, I didn't ask him that, but I have full confidence that we're going to have a much better situation. He's got Jewish friends AIPAC. A girl who worked for me at AIPAC stood up for them at their wedding. Hillary lived with her. I mean we have those relationships. We have never had that with Bush. Susan Thomases, who's in there, worked with me on the Bradley campaign. We worked together for 13 years. She's In there with the family. They stay with her when they come to New York. One of my officers, Monte Friedkin, is one of the biggest fund-raisers for them. I mean, I have people like that all over the country.
HAIM KATZ: So, I mean from a practical point of view. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He's going to be with us.
HAIM KATZ: I don't say, this business, you say, Bush only went ahead with the loan guarantees for one year.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We only have. It's mandatory they give us the $2 billion for one year. After that it's subject to the discretion of the president.
HAIM KATZ: You mean the other $8 billion?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: That's correct. On an annualized basis.
HAIM KATZ: Also, I heard that. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: They don't have to give it to us.
HAIM KATZ: But if Clinton is elected. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: ... feel reasonably certain we're gonna get It.
HAIM KATZ: He's made that commitment?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well, he said he's going to help us. He's got something in his heart for the Jews, he has Jewish friends AIPAC. Bush has no Jewish friends AIPAC.
HAIM KATZ: Right.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Reagan had something . . . meshuga, but at least he had a commitment. He knew Jews from the film industry, he was one of the best guys for us. He had an emotional thing for the Jews. Bush doesn't have it. That's what it is really, if you have a feeling for our people, for what we believe in. Bush is, there's a man with no principles. Absolutely no principles.
HAIM KATZ: I heard something about, but I never really understood it, with the scoring. One of my frienDavid Steiner AIPAC told me there's a difference in the scoring, but I don't understand. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Scoring is like points that you pay.
HAIM KATZ: So let's say, if Bush is elected on the loans . . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: No, we've got the scoring arranged, it's four and a half percent. It's all done.
HAIM KATZ: That's all done, even with Bush?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Even with Bush. I've got that worked out.
HAIM KATZ: So that's all done.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: It's in the bill. It's all passed. He signed the bill. It's a matter of law.
HAIM KATZ: So it's already four and a half percent?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We could've had it less, but then we couldn't. . .
HAIM KATZ: And Clinton, if he was president, he would give...?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: He could not change it, you cannot change it.
HAIM KATZ: No, but I'm saying, if he was president now, before the bill was signed, he would've given you the four and a half percent. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I would've gotten less.
HAIM KATZ: I'm sorry?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I would've gotten it cheaper.
HAIM KATZ: How much? Even two percent?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, we thought we were going to get two percent. But Rabin gave it away.
HAIM KATZ: You mean Rabin didn't bargain as good as he could have?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: That's right.
HAIM KATZ: Unbelievable. So, if Clinton is elected, that will be the best. ..
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I think that will be the best we could do.
HAIM KATZ: You know, I just want to tell you one last thing. Do you have parents that come from Europe?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Yeah, of course, from Glolitzano, near Krakow. ,
HAIM KATZ: You're kidding, your parents are from Krakow?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Near Krakow.
HAIM KATZ: Guess what?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You too?
HAIM KATZ: My parents are from Krakow.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Well, we're not from Krakow, but from near Krakow. My mother's from Rudnick, my father from Gruns, near Tano. Do you know where Tano is?
HAIM KATZ: Yes. Let me tell you. . .
DAVID STEINER AIPAC .. don't have many left. Everybody got
HAIM KATZ: Let me tell you. The same with me. Let me tell you, my parents were the only ones who came out. Let me tell you, my. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: You're a Holocaust survivor?
HAIM KATZ: Yeah, no, not me, my parents.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: That's some experience, I've got two cousins, I've got one in Israel and one in France that came out of Mauthausen, I'll tell you, and everybody else dead on my father's side, in Russia. I just brought six of them from KosHaim Katzent to Israel last year.
HAIM KATZ: Right. Let me tell you that, you know what my father always says? My father was a rich man in Poland, and he says, he says, "Economic power is very good. You have to have money, but if you just have economic power and you don't have political power. . ."
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: "You've got nothing."
HAIM KATZ: You've got nothing.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: If we had AIPAC in the '30s and '40s, we would have saved millions of Jews. We would have the political power. But Jews were afraid to open their mouths. They didn't know how. HAIM KATZ: AIPAC started after WWII?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Oh, sure.
HAIM KATZ And if you would have had AIPAC in the
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I feel we would've saved a lot of Jews.
HAIM KATZ: And Franklin Roosevelt, he could've done a lot better?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Sure, he could. The Jews never opened their mouths. They were afraid. We're not afraid. They can curse me out, I don't care if they hate me, just as long as I get what we need for our people.
HAIM KATZ: So if you had a little lamp, a wishing lamp and you could wish for either Bush, Clinton or Perot. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Clinton.
HAIM KATZ: Clinton all the way? And in terms of Israel having political power, between the three candidates, the one who will give us the most political power?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Clinton is the best guy for us.
HAIM KATZ: He's the best one.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I hope you're serious about what you told me.
HAIM KATZ: I am, I'll tell you this [tells a long anecdote about David Souter promising to oppose abortion as a nominee and then reversing himself on the Supreme Court]. So I wish we had a Jewish candidate for president.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I don't think the country's ready.
HAIM KATZ: If the country was ready, is there any Jewish candidate...?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I wouldn't venture to say anything.
HAIM KATZ: You know who? I don't know him, I've never met him, Joe Lieberman.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Oh, I'm very friendly with Joe. I'm having dinner with him Monday night.
HAIM KATZ: Let me tell you, I think Joe Lieberman would have, uh, would have, if he wasn't Jewish, that's the only problem he has. He's highly respected.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I'd like to see him on the Supreme Court.
HAIM KATZ: If Clinton is elected, has he told you who he's going to put on the Supreme Court?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We're talking now. We don't have no commitments yet. We're just negotiating. We're more interested right now, in the secretary of state and the secretary of National Security Agency. That's more important to us.
HAIM KATZ: If Clinton is elected, who do you think will be secretary of state?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We don't know yet, we're negotiating.
HAIM KATZ: Who are you hoping for?
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I've got a list. But I really can't go through it. I'm not allowed to talk about it.
HAIM KATZ: But you figure, God willing, if Clinton's elected . . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: We'll have access.
HAIM KATZ: You'll have access and you'll have a good input into who's secretary of state.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: I do believe so.
HAIM KATZ: And the other position is. . .
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: National security adviser.
HAIM KATZ: Those are the two critical positions.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Right.
HAIM KATZ: Gotcha. Well, David, thanks for talking with me.
W: And we're going to get together next week. I hope you'll have your checkbook ready.
HAIM KATZ: Will do.
DAVID STEINER, AIPAC: Okay, thanks.
HAIM KATZ: And let me ask you about the real estate. . . [more talk about irrelevant issues].
SOURCE: Scans Of The Original Article AND The Newspaper Clip