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The Bundy Affair - Oath Keepers vs. Militia - Part II
Gary Hunt
April 29, 2014
In these past few weeks, we have seen history unfolding right before our very eyes. Events in Bunkerville, Nevada, have been watched on the evening news throughout the country, and quite possibly, around the world. For the first time in a century and a half, Americans stood, defiant, ready to go to the wall, against the government, or at least one of her administrative agencies, to assure that the erosion of our liberties ceases, and we begin to restore our rights to what our forefathers intended.
From a people rather complacent for most of their lives comes a new test not unlike that which the Founders faced back in 1774 -- the determination of who is on our side and who is not; who is committed and who is not; who is willing to give his life for a cause that he believes in and who is not, and that what this story is about.
Recent events in Bunkerville portray that test in vivid and sensational detail. I give a chronology to these events, and they will be presented in Pacific Daylight Time, regardless of the local time where some of them occurred. This is to insure continuity, and that the sequence is properly portrayed.
At about 2:30 pm, Friday April 25, 2014, Mr. X received a call from an associate. This call would provide for some interesting disclosure over the next 6 hours. The associate is described as a fellow participant in Open Source Intelligence, a nuclear physicist, a Democrat, a higher-ranking military officer, and that held a "Yankee White" security clearance.
I spent nearly an hour going over the details with Mr. X, to whom I have promised confidentiality. I am fully satisfied as to the veracity of what he told me. Though I did ask him if it would be possible to talk with the associate, with a guarantee of anonymity, he assured me that this would not be possible, as was made clear by the associate. I then asked him if Oath Keepers had asked if they could interview his source. His answer was, no they did not. This, to me, is a rather curious omission, even though the answer would be anticipated to be as it was -- so much for the intelligence gathering ability of Oath Keepers, but, hey, I'm just a reporter. What would I know?
The story related in the conversation between Mr. X and the associate is that the associate had received information from a source he knew in the Defense Department (DOD). The source at DOD said that they had received orders from Eric Holder, of the Justice Department, to conduct drone surveillance of the Bundy property and to conduct a hot drone strike on the ranch and those on or around it. This was to occur within between 24 to 48 hours, and that there were to be no witnesses nor would any videos be allowed to leave the area.
Mr. X was quite shaken by what he had heard and expressed those concerns back at the associate. Wouldn't this be going too far in the eyes of the public? Answer: They are prepared to deal with that. There is no way that this could be covered up. Response: They are prepared for that. It was suggested that this would lead to martial law based upon authority provided for in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). He was also told that the justification for the strike was based upon Harry Reid's assertion that Bundy and those supporting him were "Domestic Terrorists". To each of Mr. X's queries, similar answers were provided to justify the story being conveyed.
Mr. X was, to say the least, perplexed and did not know what to do with this information. By about 3:00 pm, he contacted Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers. Rhodes, upon receipt of this information wisely dispatched Wes (aka "Mac", Oath Keepers Intelligence Officer, about 6' tall, older gentleman, prior Special Forces operator, driving a silver pickup truck) and Michelle to meet with Mr. X. and 'vett' him to determine whether he was sincere and to make an evaluation of the story.
Jumping ahead to 8:03 pm, John Jacob Schmidt, Radio Free Redoubt, interviewed Rhodes and othe... (21'18") regarding this story. Rhodes, justifiably, pointed out that the vetting had convinced him that the source (Mr. X) was sincere, though there was no way of verifying Mr. X's source. Rhodes said that there was a risk to his credibility by putting this out, but since there was a concern for human lives, the story must be gotten out. Rhodes also pointed out, in releasing the story, that he was not going to "let my people die on my watch" and to "err on the side of caution for my guys." Of course, the advertisement at the end of the radio interview was an enlistment ad for Oath Keepers.
Let me return to my interview with Mr. X. We discussed potential scenarios that might occur, considering the strike and its ramifications. Presuming the government had drone surveillance, and wanted to assure maximum effect, they would have a containment team to prevent any attempt of any of people to leave the area, as they did in Waco, where only those who came out in view of the cameras came out alive. They would have to insure meeting the objective of the strike -- all personnel dead and evidence destroyed. As Rhodes pointed out, they would need a follow on team, though he didn't address containment. That follow on team could surely serve as the containment team prior, and the follow on team subsequent, to the strike. We also discussed the ramifications -- the effect on the American, and world, public, should such a strike occur. We all know how even the Mainstream Media (MSM) reacted to the directed drone strikes that killed two American citizens in Yemen, even though they had sided with our 'enemy'. What would be the consequence of a general, indiscriminate, attack on men, women, and children, on American Soil, for merely resisting the enforcement of an agency rule to "rustle" Bundy's cattle? No shots fired, no deaths, or even injuries. Would the public stand for it, and would Congressmen, even Democrats, scramble to condemn the action? Would a hundred million Americans realize that the government had gone berserk? Would they then flock to the cause of those who would resist such tyranny? Even MSM might even turn, drastically, against the administration. Would Jay Carney have trouble attempting to justify such action?
The probability of such an action is, at least, remote, and such intelligence should be used only within the confines of the current operations at the Bundy Ranch, rather than risk ridicule, when precautions could easily be taken, without public notice of such a threat?
Returning to the time line of events, we now go back to the Ranch to see what activity occurred because of this threat. At between 5:00 and 6:00 pm, Oath Keepers at the ranch began packing up their gear. At about 8:00 pm, about the time of the radio interview, Rhodes used the internal communication system and notified the Oath Keepers that they should move out. By 8:30 pm, 30-40 Oath Keepers in the encampment had moved out, as had the Oath Keepers command circle. Only about 5 Oath Keepers remained at the ranch to protect the Bundy family and property. Where did the others go? To the Virgin River Motel, possibly at the expense of the contributions sent to Oath Keepers, contributions having been made to provide protection for the Bundys, not for luxurious comforts for those who had abandoned their posts.
Later that evening (exact time unknown) a conference call was made between State Representative Michelle Fiore, Stewart Rhodes, Pete Santilli (patriot videographer), Booda Bear (Personal Security Detail for the Bundy family), Ryan Payne, Militia Liaison, and LTC Potter (who states, "I am a former US Army LTC of 28 years. I served in various Military Police and Military Intelligence positions around the globe. I was also a municipal police officer for about 3 years. I bring my unique experience, training, education, and spiritual insights to bear in analyzing important issues and trends in the U.S. and the world."). The result of the conversation was to request that Representative Fiore contact the Governor and request the State's support, independent of the militia, to provide protection for those Americans on the ground at the ranch. To date, there has been no response from the Governor.
So, let's put a bit of perspective on what can be deduced by the actions of some of the players in these events.
First, as explained in my article, Vortex, if the government wants to disrupt or bring ridicule on the patriot community, it would choose an innocent patriot who they hoped would be likely to spread the story, indiscriminately, throughout the patriot community. However, the chosen conduit, the Vortex, had enough sense to provide the information, discretely, to someone he respected, hence the message going to Oath Keepers. Oath Keepers could have contained the story and still benefitted, in every way, by preparing for that eventuality. Instead, they chose to go public with it, for reasons unknown.
The Oath Keeper mission, "to not obey unconstitutional orders", had, by their participation at the ranch, extended to "protecting the Bundy family". They also declare that their purpose includes "education". Now, if their mission is to protect the Bundy Family, just how far does that go? Given the choice of fulfilling their mission, by removing the Bundys, by force, if necessary, or holding their ground against the 'enemy", they chose to abandon that mission, for their own protection. Being that their membership is largely Law Enforcement, it appears that they have also adopted the "Officer Safety" principle adhered to by Law Enforcement to justify killing unarmed civilians. In this instance, the outcome would have been the same, had the strike occurred. In military parlance, this would be tantamount to desertion under fire. I can only suggest that the purpose for going public with the story was to justify their withdrawal, after the beating that they have recently taken as a result of an article, The Bundy Affair - Oathkeepers vs. Militia, wherein one of their officers, in the comments section, is unable to address some of the concerns raised.
Various discussions around the Internet have also brought their true role and purpose at the Bundy Ranch into question. I won't suggest that this event, the drone strike, may have been a setup by the Oath Keepers to bow out gracefully, as I don't believe that they would stoop that low. However, I can only wonder why those stalwart militiamen held their ground, while the professed bearers of the torch chose to flee. Not quite like the roles played in the American Revolutionary War, where militia fled and the trained soldiers held their ground -- to the last extremity.
Now, some have suggested that this controversy between militia and Oath Keepers has caused division in the patriot community. I am inclined to see this in a different light, in that, in these times, we must separate the voices from the action; Those who will stand, and those who will not; those who are true patriots, and those who only mouth those words.
Epilogue: Yesterday, the militia command structure, which is a shared command rather than top down, held a Coalition meeting to provide insight into why Oath Keepers, with the exception of those few who stood their ground like real patriots, were deemed persona non grata, by those who still stand their ground, and truly honor their oaths. Coalition Meeting of April 28 - caution, language.
Finally, a Salute to all true Americans that seek a return to the government intended by the Constitution.
This article can be found on line at The Bundy Affair - Oath Keepers vs. Militia - Part II
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Comment by 5WarVeteran on April 30, 2014 at 11:31am
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Earl, I understand. I too cannot afford to send money to an organization that is 1000ds of miles away from which I may get a cap or a t shirt or a 2 cent "membership card". Actions speak louder than words and you have done well by sending your message.
Can you please provide the email or snail mail address that you sent your letter so I may do the same. I will choose to use your letter as a template for talking points.
With enough repetition from oath keepers like us perhaps Mr. Rhoades will get the idea when it comes to doing what is right.
At the same time I do not know what was on those trucks and whether or not they were private ownership items. I certainly would not be expected to leave my weapons or coffee pot or porta seat or my motorhome (ancient) there when I have served my time and had to return to home. (Although the motorhome is old enough for someone to look at it sitting in a paid parking spot and call it abandoned)
What is more important is for Americans to band together locally, to meet their neighbors at ball games and block parties to get an idea of where their neighbors stand. I am very lucky because here in my neighborhood we are all in agreement. We are all ready for the neighborhood watch team and when the season begins we will do what it takes to protect our people.
The major "fear" for all Americans it seems is "communicating" there is a reasonable underlying fear that any communications we have is going to be intercepted and co-opted by the criminal factors to use against us. Which makes it all the more important to meet and get to know our neighbors in person. Devoid of in place communications networks.
I am equally even more lucky because our local constabulary is well picked pro second Amendment and Pro Constitution. So in at least my town of 36,000 there is a support factor who agree on the topics at hand.
Criminals in government must go. At every level. Even our local 70 year old school teacher is on the bandwagon.
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Comment by Nancy Oakley on April 30, 2014 at 3:22am
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:-)
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Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 1:37am
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Posted on Oath Keepers. Org Website
34Earl Allen Boek Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
April 29th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
OK.org Thanks for allowing me space here to share some comments. I appreciate there was plenty of action going on the Saturday myself and my two-tour Irag, purple-hearted, ex-Army
Air Born Ranger and I took that Riverside exit into what could have been certain death.
I have visited your site in the past, and may have or may not have become a member, and sent you a note explaining how finances and short notice prevented me from spending the $40. bucks
as it was surely going to be needed for gas. Now I hear you folks had over $40K to off-set your expenses to and from and during the Bundy Circus, as some, pretty accurately describe it.
I have never, since Vietnam, seen a more screwed-up, unorganized, unprepared, bullshit operation. To what extent your organization wants to take responsibility for that, I don’t know.
Except for the Sheriff, I understand is a member, and the fact that many of you, as I am myself, are ex-military, or ex-military police which helps form that good reputation you want to protect.
I can understand why you might leave the field, I don’t understand why you would not leave, food, equipment and every dime
donated for the Bundy effort, at the Bundy effort. Or why, after the 48hr Drone window you did not come back as a group to help give those forced to fill your guard positions rest. That I’ll never understand. But, to those Oath Keepers that came and put their
butts on the line, I say thank you, your country thanks you, to those of us who came on our own, without any affiliation, but our Lord Jesus Christ, even more so to you.
I am interested in setting up a Sentry Dog Corp of Trained Dogs and Handlers. My goal would be 10,000 strong nationwide. As someone with direct supervision over a couple of hundred sentry dog teams, Ex-Army Military Police Sentry Dog Handler, Top In My Class, I feel a team ready to roll of 500 dog and Handlers, per state, would prove to be a very effective front line as well as security feature for future events like Bunkerville.
Anyone interested may contact me herehttps://www.facebook.com/NOToBLMCattleRustlers
or by email @ earlallenboek@yahoo.com much of the training and care of these teams can be performed with video and email. Sincerely, _citizenactivist
We will train all interested parties.
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I have read an amazing amount of garbage all over the internet lately, including on facebook. Too many people are not thinking for themselves. They jump on the latest rumor and run with it. They don't really care who said it, or whether or not it's true, as long as it fits their agenda.
Remember that game that children play? They sit in a circle and then someone whispers a sentence into the ear of the child next to him. This continues around the circle, and the last person says the sentence out loud. It's always distorted and usually unrecognizable.
This is what most of you are doing. You are repeating something with no idea if it's actually true. Is this what Patriots do for kicks? Do you really have that much hate in you? If so, we're doomed.
I am saying this as an Founding Associate Member of Oath Keepers. I joined in November, 2009. I met Stewart Rhodes in May, 2011, and I have talked to him and watched him in person many other times since then. I do not recognize the person who is being brutally attacked by the haters online, because what I'm hearing and reading are lies, slander, innuendo, etc.
Think about it. Who has the most to gain by causing friction, unrest, in-fighting etc. at the Bundy Ranch? Who would like all the people helping the Bundys to give up and go home?
Who has been pitting one group against another since 2008? Who routinely causes divisions between races, income levels, ethnicity, faith groups, all to weaken the people in this country as a whole?
Now, who has been on video multiple times fomenting unrest and deliberately turning one group against another at the Bundy Ranch? Who has threatened members one group on video? The following quote is from Ryan Payne, the militia "leader".
".... but this man and the gentlemen that obeyed that order violated my personal creed. You don't fucking walk in and say "I'm sorry' and you're back in brother. You can walk in and say you're sorry and you're lucky you're not getting shot in the back because that's what happens to deserters on the battlefield."
Who has been using "divide and conquer" on the citizens of our country?
Who is behind the active "divide and conquer" strategy being used by the militia "leaders" at the Bundy Ranch? Who would benefit most if the defense of the Bundy family fell apart?
Are the answers in both cases the same?
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Comment by Nobody Will Observe on April 30, 2014 at 1:12am
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Not that I know anything about the ORG> :)
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OK IS OK WITH ME!!!
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Comment by underground militia on April 30, 2014 at 12:15am
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no barak is not America , or American for that matter, and his followers are not of the republic but communist , with that if your a follower of a political organization I don't have allot of care for you regardless of your intentions. oath keeper MEMBERS may not be stewy rhoads but they got on that bus . we should not be supporting a party that doesn't adhere to the constitution %100000 and the 2 party system they let us pretend to use is a illusion. The militia is never a political or racial . those are tools used to divied the masses, if you don't get involved then your immune that that propaganda .
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Comment by Citizen Quasar on April 30, 2014 at 12:13am
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For those interested in following militia actions at the Bundy ranch, Mark Koernke provides quite a bit of information on The Intelligence Report M-F at 7:00 am CST on The Micro Effect.
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Earl Allen Boek: I'm sorry, but I don't do Facebook.
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It is fine expose Rhoads. He is just a man he is not "The Oath Keepers". Remember Barack Obama is not America either.
There are many "Oath keepers" who are not members of his organization and I can assure you they were there before Stewart Rhoades.
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Comment by guest_blog on April 29, 2014 at 11:53pm
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We all have different opinions on this, perhaps time better spent finding our commonalities instead.
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Comment by Maas on April 29, 2014 at 11:43pm
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Did anyone post that Suzanne Posel expose on Pete Santili from a few months back?
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Comment by Sweettina2 on April 29, 2014 at 11:40pm
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I can personally expose Rhodes on something I have personal knowledge of.
A few years back there was an open carry march to the DC line. A radio network I helped to build sent reporters, cameraman, many patriots...all who were standing, armed militia. Stuart Rhodes and his group turned tail and ran at the hint of smoke. When it came down to standing at the line where they could no longer cross with arms, they turned tail, ran and went home.
At the Bundy ranch many, including Sheriff Mack, Bundy and many others wondered why the Oathkeepers weren't there already. AND, they didnt even engage to go until they were outed out loud, for one by my open letter about where the hell they were! THEN they came out of the woodwork attacking me saying they were trying to get everyone together and go. BULLSHIT!
I know for a FACT that Rhodes is a shill and has a handler. Believe that or dont. Many of the Oathkeeper members, many I know and respect, are not all patriot militia ready to defend this country or Constitution...it is a show and controlled info. The ones I am well acquainted with know nothing about what goes on at the top. HA! Sounds like the Freemason's! Maybe they are. :)
"Oathkeepers" Busted! Public statement from Bundy Ranch on Stewart Rhodes & "Oathkeepers" behavior
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/oathkeepers-busted-public-statemen...
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I am an Oath Keeper, I live in South Carolina and could not make the trip. If I could afford it and support myself there for the visit I would. I do not want to burden the Bundy's not any one else.
BE AWARE of how the USG wants to divide and conquer. We see it every day in false or forced racial issues and religious baiting. Is this confusing?
Stop jumping on bandwagons when you cannot identify the horses. Stop instantly judging when you read something on the internet until you actually check it out. The Bundy's have made their contacts known. Contact them and ask. Contact someone you know and trust that is there in the ground. Watch the regular videos coming from the region and even then check them for facts.
WE, the USA is coming rapidly on bad times. Do we need to be at each others throats over BS that turns out to be disinfo? The USG is not above feeding Americans a line of shit, I mean really what about that line of shit concerning WMDs in Iraq? What about the now proven lies about Benghazi? What about the Media lies about Cliven Bundy and racism. Do the research and find the whole story.
If you do not choose to do the research and just jump and accuse and push BS then you are a troll and perhaps either a sociopathetic individual or a government plant taking part in COINTELPRO.
We need to band together because hard times are coming and it is not going to be easy doing it alone.
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Thanks for the link. Your impression of Pete and mine are similar it sounds. I'll spend more
time checking out LibertyTreeTV for further intel. I also think you hit the nail on the head
as far as OK and the circus. There were a hundred others there without the OK cards or
the matching T's, there for just one reason and one reason only. To help see that the Feds
While we were drinking shots and eating Bundy Burgers these brave guys were still coming
in with pickups full of gear, as far away as the East Coast. Brave sons of guns.
did not start another WACO and to help put the breaks on a over-reaching agency.
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I wont go into logistics in public but air threat is the only threat but not drones
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as for getting real intel / info without BS spin or hype you go to the militia not some ego like pete santilli or alex jones. libertytree radio IS MILITA and not some crack pot FBI racist BS . mark has spent 7 years in prison for evading arrest as a political prisoner so don't you dare fucking question his authentication . we have already organize the shipping and deployment for truck loads of equipment . we don't need a sugar daddy , we the people are the militia there is no MY MILITIA . IM TELLING YOU THIS , THE RAL THREAT IS GOING TO BE FROM WITHIN THE HOUSE . THE PERSONAL SECURITY NOT THE MILITIA OUTSIDE THE IMEDIATE PROPERTY . The cluster fuck circus the oath keepers created on PURPOSE is over and we have control of the situation ,
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From what I know the report here, (video) by Judge Jeanie is about as good of
statement on what's really happening as any I've heard or seen. This site was
put up by me..feel free to post there and keep us in the loop. blessings.
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