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The Bundy Affair - Oath Keepers vs. Militia - Part II

Gary Hunt
April 29, 2014

In these past few weeks, we have seen history unfolding right before our very eyes.  Events in Bunkerville, Nevada, have been watched on the evening news throughout the country, and quite possibly, around the world.  For the first time in a century and a half, Americans stood, defiant, ready to go to the wall, against the government, or at least one of her administrative agencies, to assure that the erosion of our liberties ceases, and we begin to restore our rights to what our forefathers intended.

From a people rather complacent for most of their lives comes a new test not unlike that which the Founders faced back in 1774 -- the determination of who is on our side and who is not; who is committed and who is not; who is willing to give his life for a cause that he believes in and who is not, and that what this story is about.

Recent events in Bunkerville portray that test in vivid and sensational detail.  I give a chronology to these events, and they will be presented in Pacific Daylight Time, regardless of the local time where some of them occurred.  This is to insure continuity, and that the sequence is properly portrayed.

At about 2:30 pm, Friday April 25, 2014, Mr. X received a call from an associate.  This call would provide for some interesting disclosure over the next 6 hours.  The associate is described as a fellow participant in Open Source Intelligence, a nuclear physicist, a Democrat, a higher-ranking military officer, and that held a "Yankee White" security clearance.

I spent nearly an hour going over the details with Mr. X, to whom I have promised confidentiality.  I am fully satisfied as to the veracity of what he told me.  Though I did ask him if it would be possible to talk with the associate, with a guarantee of anonymity, he assured me that this would not be possible, as was made clear by the associate.  I then asked him if Oath Keepers had asked if they could interview his source.  His answer was, no they did not.  This, to me, is a rather curious omission, even though the answer would be anticipated to be as it was -- so much for the intelligence gathering ability of Oath Keepers, but, hey, I'm just a reporter.  What would I know?

The story related in the conversation between Mr. X and the associate is that the associate had received information from a source he knew in the Defense Department (DOD).  The source at DOD said that they had received orders from Eric Holder, of the Justice Department, to conduct drone surveillance of the Bundy property and to conduct a hot drone strike on the ranch and those on or around it.  This was to occur within between 24 to 48 hours, and that there were to be no witnesses nor would any videos be allowed to leave the area.

Mr. X was quite shaken by what he had heard and expressed those concerns back at the associate.  Wouldn't this be going too far in the eyes of the public?  Answer: They are prepared to deal with that.  There is no way that this could be covered up.  Response: They are prepared for that.  It was suggested that this would lead to martial law based upon authority provided for in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).  He was also told that the justification for the strike was based upon Harry Reid's assertion that Bundy and those supporting him were "Domestic Terrorists".  To each of Mr. X's queries, similar answers were provided to justify the story being conveyed.

Mr. X was, to say the least, perplexed and did not know what to do with this information.  By about 3:00 pm, he contacted Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers.  Rhodes, upon receipt of this information wisely dispatched Wes (aka "Mac", Oath Keepers Intelligence Officer, about 6' tall, older gentleman, prior Special Forces operator, driving a silver pickup truck) and Michelle to meet with Mr. X. and 'vett' him to determine whether he was sincere and to make an evaluation of the story.  

Jumping ahead to 8:03 pm, John Jacob Schmidt, Radio Free Redoubt, interviewed Rhodes and othe... (21'18") regarding this story.  Rhodes, justifiably, pointed out that the vetting had convinced him that the source (Mr. X) was sincere, though there was no way of verifying Mr. X's source.  Rhodes said that there was a risk to his credibility by putting this out, but since there was a concern for human lives, the story must be gotten out.  Rhodes also pointed out, in releasing the story, that he was not going to "let my people die on my watch" and to "err on the side of caution for my guys."  Of course, the advertisement at the end of the radio interview was an enlistment ad for Oath Keepers.

Let me return to my interview with Mr. X.  We discussed potential scenarios that might occur, considering the strike and its ramifications.  Presuming the government had drone surveillance, and wanted to assure maximum effect, they would have a containment team to prevent any attempt of any of people to leave the area, as they did in Waco, where only those who came out in view of the cameras came out alive.  They would have to insure meeting the objective of the strike -- all personnel dead and evidence destroyed.  As Rhodes pointed out, they would need a follow on team, though he didn't address containment.  That follow on team could surely serve as the containment team prior, and the follow on team subsequent, to the strike.  We also discussed the ramifications -- the effect on the American, and world, public, should such a strike occur.  We all know how even the Mainstream Media (MSM) reacted to the directed drone strikes that killed two American citizens in Yemen, even though they had sided with our 'enemy'.  What would be the consequence of a general, indiscriminate, attack on men, women, and children, on American Soil, for merely resisting the enforcement of an agency rule to "rustle" Bundy's cattle?  No shots fired, no deaths, or even injuries.  Would the public stand for it, and would Congressmen, even Democrats, scramble to condemn the action?  Would a hundred million Americans realize that the government had gone berserk?  Would they then flock to the cause of those who would resist such tyranny?  Even MSM might even turn, drastically, against the administration.  Would Jay Carney have trouble attempting to justify such action?

The probability of such an action is, at least, remote, and such intelligence should be used only within the confines of the current operations at the Bundy Ranch, rather than risk ridicule, when precautions could easily be taken, without public notice of such a threat?

Returning to the time line of events, we now go back to the Ranch to see what activity occurred because of this threat.  At between 5:00 and 6:00 pm, Oath Keepers at the ranch began packing up their gear.  At about 8:00 pm, about the time of the radio interview, Rhodes used the internal communication system and notified the Oath Keepers that they should move out.  By 8:30 pm, 30-40 Oath Keepers in the encampment had moved out, as had the Oath Keepers command circle.  Only about 5 Oath Keepers remained at the ranch to protect the Bundy family and property.  Where did the others go?  To the Virgin River Motel, possibly at the expense of the contributions sent to Oath Keepers, contributions having been made to provide protection for the Bundys, not for luxurious comforts for those who had abandoned their posts.

Later that evening (exact time unknown) a conference call was made between State Representative Michelle Fiore, Stewart Rhodes, Pete Santilli (patriot videographer), Booda Bear (Personal Security Detail for the Bundy family), Ryan Payne, Militia Liaison, and LTC Potter (who states, "I am a former US Army LTC of 28 years.  I served in various Military Police and Military Intelligence positions around the globe.  I was also a municipal police officer for about 3 years.  I bring my unique experience, training, education, and spiritual insights to bear in analyzing important issues and trends in the U.S. and the world.").  The result of the conversation was to request that Representative Fiore contact the Governor and request the State's support, independent of the militia, to provide protection for those Americans on the ground at the ranch.  To date, there has been no response from the Governor.

So, let's put a bit of perspective on what can be deduced by the actions of some of the players in these events.

First, as explained in my article, Vortex, if the government wants to disrupt or bring ridicule on the patriot community, it would choose an innocent patriot who they hoped would be likely to spread the story, indiscriminately, throughout the patriot community.  However, the chosen conduit, the Vortex, had enough sense to provide the information, discretely, to someone he respected, hence the message going to Oath Keepers.  Oath Keepers could have contained the story and still benefitted, in every way, by preparing for that eventuality.  Instead, they chose to go public with it, for reasons unknown.

The Oath Keeper mission, "to not obey unconstitutional orders", had, by their participation at the ranch, extended to "protecting the Bundy family".  They also declare that their purpose includes "education".  Now, if their mission is to protect the Bundy Family, just how far does that go?  Given the choice of fulfilling their mission, by removing the Bundys, by force, if necessary, or holding their ground against the 'enemy", they chose to abandon that mission, for their own protection.  Being that their membership is largely Law Enforcement, it appears that they have also adopted the "Officer Safety" principle adhered to by Law Enforcement to justify killing unarmed civilians.  In this instance, the outcome would have been the same, had the strike occurred.  In military parlance, this would be tantamount to desertion under fire.  I can only suggest that the purpose for going public with the story was to justify their withdrawal, after the beating that they have recently taken as a result of an article, The Bundy Affair - Oathkeepers vs. Militia, wherein one of their officers, in the comments section, is unable to address some of the concerns raised.

Various discussions around the Internet have also brought their true role and purpose at the Bundy Ranch into question.  I won't suggest that this event, the drone strike, may have been a setup by the Oath Keepers to bow out gracefully, as I don't believe that they would stoop that low.  However, I can only wonder why those stalwart militiamen held their ground, while the professed bearers of the torch chose to flee.  Not quite like the roles played in the American Revolutionary War, where militia fled and the trained soldiers held their ground -- to the last extremity.

Now, some have suggested that this controversy between militia and Oath Keepers has caused division in the patriot community.  I am inclined to see this in a different light, in that, in these times, we must separate the voices from the action; Those who will stand, and those who will not; those who are true patriots, and those who only mouth those words.

Epilogue: Yesterday, the militia command structure, which is a shared command rather than top down, held a Coalition meeting to provide insight into why Oath Keepers, with the exception of those few who stood their ground like real patriots, were deemed persona non grata, by those who still stand their ground, and truly honor their oaths.  Coalition Meeting of April 28 - caution, language.

Finally, a Salute to all true Americans that seek a return to the government intended by the Constitution.

 

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Comment by Deborah Swan on May 1, 2014 at 10:36am

This Citizens Action Network is a front. YES THIS IS A PSYOPS! AND THE MAN BEHIND RYAN PAYNE IS MIKE SCHOOL.  None of this is real. Yes I did my research and Ryan Payne came out of no where and so did Mike School! I was invited  to come out there and I did. I will post a video that has the proof of what I was told. Mike School is the founder of Citizens Action Network, who is also connected too Operation Mutual Aid. The Constitution Club is another one of School's groups and I also found out he claimed is the "General" of the 4th Continental Congress (whatever that means.) In January 2014 Mike School appointed Brian Hunt as the "Commander" of the California Militia and School told me that he wanted Brian Hunt for all his "connections" so he would have access to all the "infrastructure" of the militia  since Brian has been around for 23 yrs.  Brian hunt agreed to take this Commander position and took this very seriously (as he should) When Commander Hunt was called by Mike School to the Bundy Ranch, he went to the ranch and was there throughout the entire standoff.  When the first stand off  was over,  Hunt was not feeling well so he ended up leaving and drove back to CA. He then called School and told him where he was and if he needed any more men to call him. I did not know any of these details until after I got back home. I am very worried about the true agenda behind Citizens Action Network and Mike School's true agenda. I feel like he is working as a disinformation plant as well as working to help stage a false flag on the Bundy's . He acts like he is the main contact for the militia  as many militia men he can help get out there. I have a lot of proof of what all he was telling me and he dropped a bunch of names too. I will post my discussions I had on my next post.. Some of the names he kept dropping are Scott Woods, Rick Light, Ryan Payne, Stuart Rhodes, Rene Powers, Catherine Ricker,           Bill Keebler, Ron Hinton, Jenkins, Ron Hinton, Keith Broader, and Mike wanted me to call some of these people and speak with them. I was not sure why he was dumping all this in me so fast. I told Mike that my main focus to go out there was to go to the Clark County Clerks office and do some quick research on the Bundy's land. I spent all day Thursday in Nevada. I found a lot of interesting info and shared my concerns with Mike School.  Friday I had a horrible feeling in my stomach and all Mike School wanted was to get us all out there to camp out and he kept promising me that I would get to speak with the Bundy's and discuss a plan to help get a temp restraining order put on the BLM.  and  Now I hear about the possibility of having a drone attack out there Friday, 

Comment by Deborah Swan on May 1, 2014 at 9:49am

I was actually "invited " to go out there and the person who contacted me was Mike School. Now Mike School spent a lot of time on the phone trying to make me feel comfortable and he kept telling me all sorts of things he wanted me to believe. Then I get a Fed Ex on my door step with 2000.00 in cash

This is a picture of the letter and the 2000.00 in cash to to out there.

 and a letter from him with a business card. 

Comment by Sheri Berry on April 30, 2014 at 10:47pm

http://youtu.be/4HkSAewoESg

Video released today ( April 30th, 2014 ) by Stewart Rhodes in regards to what happened.

Comment by Nancy Oakley on April 30, 2014 at 7:07pm

Sorry, the original video has a dead link. Here is he one that works.

Comment by truth on April 30, 2014 at 3:55pm

How many different ways can we all agree or disagree on a topic?  The repetition useless and making general statements about a site of thousands unbalanced as a start. I  like Kornkee and I think as a whole OK is worthwhile too. But as a social network, like fb, we will have different interest and opinions. We try to offer a space for this vs Facebook ect. 

Any further discussions on who is a fed or not, are welcomed on your personal profiles pages or blogs. So please take it elsewhere on site.  Simply put, we  all may not be interested in furthering this on this page. You can add a blog with out worry of censorship, and anyone who wants to add in there can .  Thanks, admin

Comment by 5WarVeteran on April 30, 2014 at 3:43pm

Underground, you assume too much.

Speak for yourself. Believe what you want but do not force your flavor of religion or anything else on me or anyone else. If you do not like this site then why are you here?

Your recent posts reek of trollism. Or sociopathetic behavior. If you do not like television, don't watch television, if you do not like corn puffs do not eat corn puffs, if you do not like Obummer do not vote for Obummer, if you do not like what you are reading here then do not come here.

Do not expect people to simply jump to your views. Do not hammer them because they do not see like you do. There is a difference between opinion and fact. Do not provide a source of conjecture as a source of fact. Just provide it and see what the other people say.

Comment by underground militia on April 30, 2014 at 3:25pm

this site is full of followers of the POLITICLE control machine , follow your Oath keepers and tea parties to your death , fools

Comment by underground militia on April 30, 2014 at 3:23pm

libertytree radio militia explains OK BS cointel   http://www.libertytreetv.com 

Comment by 5WarVeteran on April 30, 2014 at 3:17pm

Thank you James. It happens. I have two groups myself. One with 5000+ members and another with 278.

Comment by underground militia on April 30, 2014 at 3:11pm

again all BS   they are throwing the militia under the bus ?  fuck these cowards .  what the OK were doing ( as in nothing) was not going to fly so I put out all the intel on them and created the force against them . SO SUCK IT > I TOOK CARE OF A PROBLEM  the drone story was an excuse for them to run THEY FABRICATED IT > END OF  STORY  .  The real men are there now and we don't need your money we got this covered .

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 3:02pm

Sorry, need to restate that the there were three quick draws, the last being the 

two militia boys that drew down at us when we pulled into the Bundy Ranch. We

were not expecting that.  It will never happen again. Two big boys with California

plates and a loaded down Nissan Pickup, tarped....look a lot different than what 

the Feds were driving. Feel free to remove any of these post...by me, if you want.

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 2:06pm

I agree, no fast-draw contest, I won the last two, in my life, no one was killed,

especially me. Smile

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 1:45pm

Again, there is truth to what they are saying regarding these guys being totally vetted.

This was not being done, maybe time did not allow for it.  But, I like to know who is at

my back, and side.

Some where real, some were not IMO.  Bill at the "command trailer" comes to mind. 

Comment by truth on April 30, 2014 at 1:45pm

WOW, that video is quite telling- Summary, lunatics and or infiltrators nearly caused a shoot out at the ranch, OK decided to leave rather than risk escalation.

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 1:29pm

Nancy Oakley..Thanks for the above video, They make sense, I agree. 

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on April 30, 2014 at 1:13pm

My letter, so far, is on the OathKeepers.org page under most recent article regarding

Bundy Ranch. Appreciate your comments.

Comment by truth on April 30, 2014 at 1:02pm

thx again Nancy

Comment by truth on April 30, 2014 at 1:01pm

an admin and opt had words, he decided to leave rather follow site rules

Comment by 5WarVeteran on April 30, 2014 at 12:06pm

Where is OPT's

"I have one simple vetting question" 

?

I would have liked to read the whole thing and answer it if possible.

Comment by 5WarVeteran on April 30, 2014 at 12:01pm

Nancy Oakley,

Thank you for what you have written.

All should read about COINTELPRO which is EXACTLY what appears to be taking place in this instance.

We have to recognize the paths that take place in today's society of political divide an conquer.

As you already know and I pray the readers understand. There is a long list of BS we are inundated with every day that has no value other than to divide Americans from the ability to band together and communicate equally.

Here is a short list.

War On Terror

Racism

Common Core

immigration/amnesty

partisan politics

religion (the jewish/muslim/christian problem)

Each one of these divides a community but perhaps the most unfortunate and insidious is the unstable mind which can destroy a community.

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