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The Bundy Affair - Oath Keepers vs. Militia - Part II

Gary Hunt
April 29, 2014

In these past few weeks, we have seen history unfolding right before our very eyes.  Events in Bunkerville, Nevada, have been watched on the evening news throughout the country, and quite possibly, around the world.  For the first time in a century and a half, Americans stood, defiant, ready to go to the wall, against the government, or at least one of her administrative agencies, to assure that the erosion of our liberties ceases, and we begin to restore our rights to what our forefathers intended.

From a people rather complacent for most of their lives comes a new test not unlike that which the Founders faced back in 1774 -- the determination of who is on our side and who is not; who is committed and who is not; who is willing to give his life for a cause that he believes in and who is not, and that what this story is about.

Recent events in Bunkerville portray that test in vivid and sensational detail.  I give a chronology to these events, and they will be presented in Pacific Daylight Time, regardless of the local time where some of them occurred.  This is to insure continuity, and that the sequence is properly portrayed.

At about 2:30 pm, Friday April 25, 2014, Mr. X received a call from an associate.  This call would provide for some interesting disclosure over the next 6 hours.  The associate is described as a fellow participant in Open Source Intelligence, a nuclear physicist, a Democrat, a higher-ranking military officer, and that held a "Yankee White" security clearance.

I spent nearly an hour going over the details with Mr. X, to whom I have promised confidentiality.  I am fully satisfied as to the veracity of what he told me.  Though I did ask him if it would be possible to talk with the associate, with a guarantee of anonymity, he assured me that this would not be possible, as was made clear by the associate.  I then asked him if Oath Keepers had asked if they could interview his source.  His answer was, no they did not.  This, to me, is a rather curious omission, even though the answer would be anticipated to be as it was -- so much for the intelligence gathering ability of Oath Keepers, but, hey, I'm just a reporter.  What would I know?

The story related in the conversation between Mr. X and the associate is that the associate had received information from a source he knew in the Defense Department (DOD).  The source at DOD said that they had received orders from Eric Holder, of the Justice Department, to conduct drone surveillance of the Bundy property and to conduct a hot drone strike on the ranch and those on or around it.  This was to occur within between 24 to 48 hours, and that there were to be no witnesses nor would any videos be allowed to leave the area.

Mr. X was quite shaken by what he had heard and expressed those concerns back at the associate.  Wouldn't this be going too far in the eyes of the public?  Answer: They are prepared to deal with that.  There is no way that this could be covered up.  Response: They are prepared for that.  It was suggested that this would lead to martial law based upon authority provided for in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).  He was also told that the justification for the strike was based upon Harry Reid's assertion that Bundy and those supporting him were "Domestic Terrorists".  To each of Mr. X's queries, similar answers were provided to justify the story being conveyed.

Mr. X was, to say the least, perplexed and did not know what to do with this information.  By about 3:00 pm, he contacted Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers.  Rhodes, upon receipt of this information wisely dispatched Wes (aka "Mac", Oath Keepers Intelligence Officer, about 6' tall, older gentleman, prior Special Forces operator, driving a silver pickup truck) and Michelle to meet with Mr. X. and 'vett' him to determine whether he was sincere and to make an evaluation of the story.  

Jumping ahead to 8:03 pm, John Jacob Schmidt, Radio Free Redoubt, interviewed Rhodes and othe... (21'18") regarding this story.  Rhodes, justifiably, pointed out that the vetting had convinced him that the source (Mr. X) was sincere, though there was no way of verifying Mr. X's source.  Rhodes said that there was a risk to his credibility by putting this out, but since there was a concern for human lives, the story must be gotten out.  Rhodes also pointed out, in releasing the story, that he was not going to "let my people die on my watch" and to "err on the side of caution for my guys."  Of course, the advertisement at the end of the radio interview was an enlistment ad for Oath Keepers.

Let me return to my interview with Mr. X.  We discussed potential scenarios that might occur, considering the strike and its ramifications.  Presuming the government had drone surveillance, and wanted to assure maximum effect, they would have a containment team to prevent any attempt of any of people to leave the area, as they did in Waco, where only those who came out in view of the cameras came out alive.  They would have to insure meeting the objective of the strike -- all personnel dead and evidence destroyed.  As Rhodes pointed out, they would need a follow on team, though he didn't address containment.  That follow on team could surely serve as the containment team prior, and the follow on team subsequent, to the strike.  We also discussed the ramifications -- the effect on the American, and world, public, should such a strike occur.  We all know how even the Mainstream Media (MSM) reacted to the directed drone strikes that killed two American citizens in Yemen, even though they had sided with our 'enemy'.  What would be the consequence of a general, indiscriminate, attack on men, women, and children, on American Soil, for merely resisting the enforcement of an agency rule to "rustle" Bundy's cattle?  No shots fired, no deaths, or even injuries.  Would the public stand for it, and would Congressmen, even Democrats, scramble to condemn the action?  Would a hundred million Americans realize that the government had gone berserk?  Would they then flock to the cause of those who would resist such tyranny?  Even MSM might even turn, drastically, against the administration.  Would Jay Carney have trouble attempting to justify such action?

The probability of such an action is, at least, remote, and such intelligence should be used only within the confines of the current operations at the Bundy Ranch, rather than risk ridicule, when precautions could easily be taken, without public notice of such a threat?

Returning to the time line of events, we now go back to the Ranch to see what activity occurred because of this threat.  At between 5:00 and 6:00 pm, Oath Keepers at the ranch began packing up their gear.  At about 8:00 pm, about the time of the radio interview, Rhodes used the internal communication system and notified the Oath Keepers that they should move out.  By 8:30 pm, 30-40 Oath Keepers in the encampment had moved out, as had the Oath Keepers command circle.  Only about 5 Oath Keepers remained at the ranch to protect the Bundy family and property.  Where did the others go?  To the Virgin River Motel, possibly at the expense of the contributions sent to Oath Keepers, contributions having been made to provide protection for the Bundys, not for luxurious comforts for those who had abandoned their posts.

Later that evening (exact time unknown) a conference call was made between State Representative Michelle Fiore, Stewart Rhodes, Pete Santilli (patriot videographer), Booda Bear (Personal Security Detail for the Bundy family), Ryan Payne, Militia Liaison, and LTC Potter (who states, "I am a former US Army LTC of 28 years.  I served in various Military Police and Military Intelligence positions around the globe.  I was also a municipal police officer for about 3 years.  I bring my unique experience, training, education, and spiritual insights to bear in analyzing important issues and trends in the U.S. and the world.").  The result of the conversation was to request that Representative Fiore contact the Governor and request the State's support, independent of the militia, to provide protection for those Americans on the ground at the ranch.  To date, there has been no response from the Governor.

So, let's put a bit of perspective on what can be deduced by the actions of some of the players in these events.

First, as explained in my article, Vortex, if the government wants to disrupt or bring ridicule on the patriot community, it would choose an innocent patriot who they hoped would be likely to spread the story, indiscriminately, throughout the patriot community.  However, the chosen conduit, the Vortex, had enough sense to provide the information, discretely, to someone he respected, hence the message going to Oath Keepers.  Oath Keepers could have contained the story and still benefitted, in every way, by preparing for that eventuality.  Instead, they chose to go public with it, for reasons unknown.

The Oath Keeper mission, "to not obey unconstitutional orders", had, by their participation at the ranch, extended to "protecting the Bundy family".  They also declare that their purpose includes "education".  Now, if their mission is to protect the Bundy Family, just how far does that go?  Given the choice of fulfilling their mission, by removing the Bundys, by force, if necessary, or holding their ground against the 'enemy", they chose to abandon that mission, for their own protection.  Being that their membership is largely Law Enforcement, it appears that they have also adopted the "Officer Safety" principle adhered to by Law Enforcement to justify killing unarmed civilians.  In this instance, the outcome would have been the same, had the strike occurred.  In military parlance, this would be tantamount to desertion under fire.  I can only suggest that the purpose for going public with the story was to justify their withdrawal, after the beating that they have recently taken as a result of an article, The Bundy Affair - Oathkeepers vs. Militia, wherein one of their officers, in the comments section, is unable to address some of the concerns raised.

Various discussions around the Internet have also brought their true role and purpose at the Bundy Ranch into question.  I won't suggest that this event, the drone strike, may have been a setup by the Oath Keepers to bow out gracefully, as I don't believe that they would stoop that low.  However, I can only wonder why those stalwart militiamen held their ground, while the professed bearers of the torch chose to flee.  Not quite like the roles played in the American Revolutionary War, where militia fled and the trained soldiers held their ground -- to the last extremity.

Now, some have suggested that this controversy between militia and Oath Keepers has caused division in the patriot community.  I am inclined to see this in a different light, in that, in these times, we must separate the voices from the action; Those who will stand, and those who will not; those who are true patriots, and those who only mouth those words.

Epilogue: Yesterday, the militia command structure, which is a shared command rather than top down, held a Coalition meeting to provide insight into why Oath Keepers, with the exception of those few who stood their ground like real patriots, were deemed persona non grata, by those who still stand their ground, and truly honor their oaths.  Coalition Meeting of April 28 - caution, language.

Finally, a Salute to all true Americans that seek a return to the government intended by the Constitution.

 

This article can be found on line at The Bundy Affair - Oath Keepers vs. Militia - Part II

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Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 9, 2014 at 3:06pm

Especially if that "fat girl" is your wife.

Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 9, 2014 at 8:17am

Once a liar always a liar. Is there a gray area? Is there a small lie that is acceptable?

Where do we set the line? Obama? 686 well documented lies and he cannot be impeached? What about the political criminals that support him?

Getting rid of one criminal is not enough. Getting rid of a posers like Obama is more important in a country where the Elite preach everything ass backwards.

Comment by Nancy Oakley on May 9, 2014 at 1:32am

"So, Ryan Payne is a poser – a fake Ranger – who has falsely misrepresented himself and allowed others to refer to him as a “Ranger” without correcting them (in multiple media interviews he is introduced as a Ranger veteran and not once has he ever corrected the interviewer).

Why does this matter?   Because those who have served as Rangers are respected as part of the special warfare community, much like those who served as Navy SEALS, U.S. Army Special Forces, or Marine Force Recon or MARSOC.  It is a big deal, and sets one apart.  Someone who claims to be part of that elite group, while never having actually served among them and done the hard work of actually earning that Ranger tab and Ranger Scroll, is a poser, and a poser who gains respect and deference that he never earned.   Ryan Payne, like other posers, is benefiting from the reputation and mystique of the Rangers – benefiting from the hard work of other men – while never actually earning that title. 

Frankly, this is a stolen valor situation.   He has used the false title of “Ranger” to gain the trust of the Bundy family and become the head of their security team and their “liaison” to all other groups.  By falsely claiming to be a Ranger, Ryan Payne has gained a respect and deference from other veterans at the Bundy Ranch that he never actually earned and now purports to speak for everyone who volunteered to guard the Bundy family.   And he has used that position to aggrandize himself and his organization, OMA.    None of that helps the Bundy family or the broader cause to retake our stolen Western lands and rights.  It only helps Ryan Payne. 

Posers and fakes need to be exposed.  If he will lie about his military record, what else is he lying about?"

  http://northwestlibertynews.com/News/tabid/771/ID/1580/The-Best-Way...

Comment by Nancy Oakley on May 8, 2014 at 7:14pm

Ryan Payne's facebook page says he was born in 1983. The above "tab check" was done back to the year 2000, when Ryan would have been 17 years old. (Click on the photo to enlarge it.)

Comment by Nancy Oakley on May 8, 2014 at 7:13pm

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Comment by Nancy Oakley on May 7, 2014 at 10:35pm

Good advice, James. Thank you. This is something I already understand, but needed a reminder.

Comment by truth on May 7, 2014 at 8:23pm
Comment by truth on May 7, 2014 at 8:19pm
I wont offer anything but an opinion on this, it is based on some prior and private info and just my own intuition. Has anyone considered people named above and this Ryan character are running a good cop bad cop set up. Gaining trust revealing, possibly out dated, or unimportant info just to gain trust? Our members on this years old site have been the subject of at least one known fed set up which ended up in serious charges. Be careful who you contact or let contact you. Simple stranger danger common sense must always apply online.


BTW I prefer people not name names or make assertions with out verifiable statements or proof. AL related info is best to add.

If he wants to comment on this with out joining email @ https://api.ning.com/files/czF6wJsbSj1JL6EIeLLSw7RS0w5YYAUfyERAUcqZ...*U/contact12.PNG
Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 7, 2014 at 6:56pm

Deborah was asking too much of the membership for a person who like myself has little to do with the membership or administration of the site. (little = nothing)

Comment by suzie on May 7, 2014 at 6:03pm
Strange that Debra swan had a lot to say and now she's not even a member? Hmmmm weird
Comment by Nancy Oakley on May 7, 2014 at 5:50pm

Look what I found:

"Who is Ryan Payne? I can tell you who he is not. He is not an Army Ranger. He has been tab checked by the Ranger association and he has never been in a recognized Ranger unit, nor has been Ranger Qualified."

Some people are talking about investigating him for "Stolen Valor".

So, what else is he lying about? Why does he refuse to prove his identity? Who is Ryan Payne?

Comment by Earl Allen Boek on May 4, 2014 at 2:01pm

Told you people, this was NEVER about grazing fees._citizenactivist

Zoning and development are driven by “business loops”, which use high speed intersections from freeways that cost taxpayers millions of dollars. These can instantly raise property values for landowners in the right place who know where the development is going to happen. Decisions for the infrastructure are controlled by state and local and generally involve money from the federal government.
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/05/04/reid-bunkerville-llc-expose...

Below is a comprehensive report of properties owned by Reid Bunkerville Trust and Reid Bunkerville LLC, showing over 30 properties in the Bunkerville and Mesquite area.

Comment by underground militia on May 2, 2014 at 12:15pm

DEBY   why would CAN send you out when RYAN IS THERE EVERY DAY ?

Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 2, 2014 at 11:08am

As for him sending you the cash that would have made me very uncomfortable. With all the weirdness today I would have had thoughts of possible human trafficking. If you avatar is representative of your age I would have immediately been worried.

Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 2, 2014 at 11:05am

Deborah,

Would a redacted copy of a military ID be acceptable? The DD214 is not a simple form and it carries too much specific information. In fact it is the singular military form required to be registered and copied at local county seats. This is me, albeit a much younger me, as I was force retired because of disability in 1996. The important things redacted because there are certain things one should not share on the internet. I served 22 years and for those in the know, my rank can be determined by the years in service. You see after 20 years those who have not reached a certain rank are riffed.

Comment by Deborah Swan on May 1, 2014 at 11:18pm

This group came out of no where... 

Comment by Deborah Swan on May 1, 2014 at 11:17pm

Yes I met him after hew sent me the cash. . He told me the cash was to help get me out to the ranch and to help with my finances since I am having financial trouble. I had never met him prior to this. This is why I was so concerned with what his true agenda was. I recorded every conversation I had with him so just in case something like this was really happening. I am now thankful I did record this because no one would believe me. Now Mike is trying to use the Fraud and crazy card against me but he cant since i have the proof of all we discussed. He actually admitted to me that he only endorsed Brian Hunt so he could learn the entire miltia infrastructure since Brian has 23 yrs of militia connections. 

Comment by Deborah Swan on May 1, 2014 at 11:11pm

This Ryan Payne  and Mike School  needs to show proof of his DD214! This has been an attempted staged event. The Citizens Action Network is the "behind the scenes" who is trying to lure impressionable people out there, with a totally different agenda. Mike school has some funding he is using. he claims its from some gold mines he has and a dead relative but I would like to see the proof.  This school is a total traitor and needs to be exposed. Since I did not fall for his plot and questioned all his claims, he is now saying I scammed him and is playing the crazy card against me. This group needs to be verified and questioned...

Comment by 5WarVeteran on May 1, 2014 at 11:27am

He provided cash and did not ask for any? You actually met him?

What do you think their agenda really is?

"Destroying the New World Order"

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