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Permalink Reply by Billy Stewart on August 7, 2012 at 1:55pm

I don't know if this counts as NOT voting.  I voted when I was 18 for George McGovern.  He lost by a landslide but I still think he is/was a good man.  I refused to vote again until Jimmy carter ran.  I know he is not in fashion to like but I did and do like him.  The fact that he could not get the UFO files from the CIA [run by George Bush the first] shows me there was something going on there not backed by the powers that be.  This time I am considering writing in Ron Paul.  I believe RP is a very fine human.  I believe also that write-ins are legal in all 50 states.  That at least may be a good compromise to the vote/don't vote issue.  My 2 cents...

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 8, 2012 at 10:07pm

Don't forget president won't be the only thing on these ballots either, there are a lot of awesome statesmen and women comeing out of the wood work with the new found support for Liberty! I'd offer that from what I understand "write-ins" are going to be not accepted but I'd take it over nothing lol! If Ron Paul isn't on the ballot please vote for Gary Johnson and encourage others to do the same. This way we get all the votes for Liberty and Peace in the same direction. Though I'm sure Ron Paul and Gary Johnson will take steps to make sure this occurs one way or the other.

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Permalink Reply by Nathan A. Bauer on September 28, 2012 at 7:57pm

Most people of good moral character knew that all ELECTIONS were a joke in 2000. Since the Supreme Court ruled who the President would be, in spite of any so-called hanging chads in one State, then all understood that there is no such thing a Separation of Powers.

If they did not know this then, well, the one the Supreme's put there, Bush Jr. spelled it out for you. The CONstitution is "just a piece of goddamn paper!"


As for local selections...only the Attorneys can finance their own campaigns. See how well that works out for you?

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Permalink Reply by Nathan on August 8, 2012 at 11:35am

'Rabid attacks'? lol

Many tell on themselves by resorting to this method, a classic disinformation tactic: quickly stiffle any open discussion of valid resolutions by launching personal attacks.

No, a classic disinfo method is to join a site and sow discord; like joining a group, taking an opposite position and innocently asking to be 'informed' or 'I just want to understand'  and then proceeding to make comments that are designed to elicit an emotional or argumentative response quickly followed by an allegation that there are some among 'us' that are subverting the 'cause'.

I do agree with you though, 'they' do tell on themselves; very easy to spot.

 

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Permalink Reply by Dianne Stallark on August 8, 2012 at 12:02pm

"People are open to 3rd parties but don't vote for them because they don't see the numbers with them, show them our numbers!!"

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!

Everyone is entitled to their OPINION so we shouldn't be fighting amongst each other. That's playing the GRUB's game. Our Bleaders' WANT discord !! and it looks as though they are getting massive amounts of it. Can't we just agree to disagree and focus on the BIG picture?

BTW....i would vote, if i can, for a 3rd party! PA has a voter I.D. law and my voter's registration card is NULL and VOID!.....i have been disenfranchised !

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 8, 2012 at 10:12pm

I'd say people getting this worked up over me telling them they should vote (which costs you what?) vice not vote is a big indication of something. I'd say it is of people's willingness to give up. Throw in the towel because the enemy is to big and great and there is no way to take it down so why even try.

Why so opposed to just showing up and voting? Or hey to aviod the arguement if I gave up I'd just be telling people that I'd be voting for Liberty and just not show up to show my support. Rather than have some "plan" not to vote to show a no confidence that won't even show up on the radar. I mean if they really can rig it to the scale you claim can't they say whatever number they want people to think voted in whatever way?

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Permalink Reply by Freedomrox on August 8, 2012 at 10:54pm

Troy, you are wasting your time on this troll. Just a child wanting attention while not having clue one as to what he is talking about. You are correct...the title says it all...

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 8, 2012 at 11:24pm

Well good job rather than showing how you could deduce that such an illogical plan would accomplish anything you've gone the way of calling me a troll.

If your plan was so great convince me of it and I'll join you. I don't see anything to be gained by not voting and potentially everything by voting.

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Permalink Reply by Freedomrox on August 9, 2012 at 12:04am

I do not care to have discourse with you anymore. You NEED or WANT someone to change your mind, and that is not my job! IT IS YOUR JOB to properly educate yourself...stop being so needy and take some responsibility for your own enlightenment. I have already laid out how our political system works, and if you disagree, then educate yourself. It is not my responsibility...IT IS YOURS!

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 9, 2012 at 12:11am

If it is your plan, and your plan of no-confidence is suppose to work your going to need to be able to convince people and thus the burden of proof rests with you. For your plan to work you need to be able to convince people to do this in such a mass number. I'm hardly claiming that it would work I still hold that it wouldn't at all ever but for it to work it has to be more than you and a few other... quiters that quit the system. So how pray tell do you reason this? What is your proof that voting won't work? Otherwise your nothing than some guy yelling the world is going to end and that we should all join you in non-action as we watch it end.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 9, 2012 at 12:13am

I already educated myself on this. It doesn't matter how many people vote the electorial college is going to elect someone. I also know the last time that an electorial college vote went against the people it represents... do you?

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 8, 2012 at 10:16pm

I'm just saying yo, and not necessarily that you are an agent but that the assumptions that would make you find this plan acceptable are fed by agents and that in fact the idea itself was from an agent or encouraged by an agent.

The point is not so much the agents or being maninpulated by said agents but that this is exactly exactly what I would want as an "agent". I don't really think of these people as agents, pretty disgusting low lifes.

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