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Permalink Reply by Deep Space on January 14, 2013 at 11:14pm

These assholes can't even stop pot. Good luck with the guns.

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on January 14, 2013 at 11:21pm

Who here thinks Exec Orders are in any way valid?  Pas Moi!

Permalink Reply by MAC on January 14, 2013 at 11:35pm

Any laws or orders that are repugnant to the constitution are null and void, Executive orders against the constitution are illegal.

Don't swear him in, remove this illegal infiltrator, He had the kids killed.

SUCCESSION ANYONE.

Permalink Reply by Central Scrutinizer on January 14, 2013 at 11:39pm

Permalink Reply by Debra McGuire on January 14, 2013 at 11:40pm

could use one right now...

Permalink Reply by T Stirhen on January 15, 2013 at 12:11pm

Why isn't everyone fighting to get him, and his adminstration, prosecuted for treason? He admitted to treason in a letter to Boehner - who committed treason by not doing something about it - when he said that he represents the UN, he gets his authority from the UN, NOT from the US Constitution. Panetta and Dempsey did the same at the senate hearing, and those senators that were there - like Boehner - committed treason by not following up and having them arrested and prosecuted.

Those senators represent your state in the federal government - start taking them down, call for arrests and prosecution. remove them from office as oath breakers - another criminal act. Since the Oath is a legal REQUIREMENT of the office or position they occupy, breaking it also means they no longer meet the requirements of the office/position.

The reason so many believe that the US Constitution is weak is because OUR laws (legal ones) are not enforced at the higher levels.

Assassination "powers" that Obama gave himself are not legal - it is just murder with a "higher" sounding name - very like "Patriot Act" which is anything but...

You are correct, illegal laws, EO's, Bills, etc are all "null and void".

Clause 2 of Article VI of the Constitution: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

The Constitution of the United States of America IS the Supreme Law of this land, NOT those who serve within the federal government.

Title 18 US code section 2381 - Treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

• Those assisting in the cover-up and implementation of Agenda 21, supporting the UN laws applying here, etc

18 USC § 2382 - Misprision of treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

• The Senate, congress, and Boehner, Holder, Pelosi, H. Clinton, and the rest of that adminstration. Don't forget that both Bush's, and Clinton and thier adminstrations also committed these crimes and need arrest and prosecution.

18 USC § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

• That would be "change" and using propaganda, lies, misinformation, and a *corporate media cartel.

Almost 100% of the mainstream media is owned by seven companies: Disney, NewsCorp, TimeWarner, CBS, Viacom, NBCUniversal, and Sony. Manipulating public opinion to destroy the US Constitution, our legitimate gov is treason.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy: If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

{Fast and Furious - Press Releases about it in EARLY 2009, David Ogden the talking head for Obama; Benghazi, Giving the UN 'authority' over the USA - using UN laws, UN here to 'monitor' OUR USA elections, UN taxing us, UN Military on USA soil}

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof... assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof...

{Giving the UN 'authority' over the USA, over the US Military - Obama, Panetta, Dempsey. UN & NATO with the assistance of this administration, the Bush administration, the Clinton administration, the Bush 1 administration...}

{The UN does NOT have any authority over the USA, nor does anyone serving in any branch of our legitimate government have the power to give them any authority over the USA - Not to decide OUR gun laws, tax us, watch our elections, use our natural resources, put Agenda 21 here in the USA, use our military and any of "our" Generals, etc or representatives who allow it are committing treason - that would be Panetta, Dempsey, and Obama, Holder, (plus H. Clinton, J.Napolitano, David Ogden, N. Pelosi, Bush 1 & 2, Clinton, etc) who said they do NOT represent the USA, they represent the UN. Obama said in a letter to Boehner, Panetta and Dempsey in front of the senate - on video. Foreign laws and Shariah laws used in US courts}

Breaking their Oath means they no longer meet the legal REQUIREMENTS of the office or position they are occupying, plus is a criminal offense.  Applicable laws:

The first law statute of the United States of America, enacted in the first session of the First Congress on 1 June 1789, was Statute 1, Chapter 1: an act to regulate the time and manner of administering certain oaths, which established the oath required by civil and military officials to support the Constitution.

The wording of the Presidential Oath was established in the Constitution in Article II, Section 1, Clause 8.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

The Framers placed the Oath of Office Clause between the beginning clauses that set forth the organization of the executive department and ending clauses that specify the contours of the President’s executive power. The President takes the oath after he assumes the office but before he executes it. The location and phrasing of the Oath of Office Clause strongly suggest that it is not empowering, but that it is limiting - the clause limits how the President’s “executive power” is to be exercised.

The requirement for all Federal and State Civil officers to give their solemn and binding Oath is established in Article VI, Section 1, Clause 4.

They are bound by their Oath to support the Constitution, and should they abrogate their Oath by their acts or inaction, are subject to charges of impeachment and censure.

Once given, the Oath is binding for life, unless renounced, refused, and abjured. It does not cease upon the occasions of leaving office or of discharge.

Solemn: “Legally binding, Common legal phrase indicating that an agreement has been consciously made, and certain actions are now either required or prohibited”, “The other requirement for an agreement or contract to be considered legally binding is consideration – both parties must knowingly understand what they are agreeing to”.

Bound – “Being under legal or moral obligation; to constitute the boundary or limit of; to set a limit to; confine”

Legally Binding: Common legal phrase. Lawful action, such as an agreement consciously agreed to by two or more entities, establishing lawful accountability. An illegal action, such as forcing, tricking, or coercing a person into an agreement, is not legally binding. Both parties knowingly understand what they are agreeing to is the other requirement to legally establish an agreement or contract.

Consideration: According to “Black’s Law Dictionary,” consideration in a contract is a bargained for exchange of acts or forbearance of an act.

Require, Requirement, Required: "to claim or ask for by right and authority; Mandated under a law or by an authoritative entity. That which is required; a thing demanded or obligatory; something demanded or imposed as an obligation."

Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order that further defines the law for purposes of enforcement.

5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office members of Congress are required to take before assuming office.

5 U.S.C. 3333 requires members of Congress sign an affidavit that they have taken the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not or will not violate that oath of office during their tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,

5 U.S.C. 7311 which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government”.

18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath of office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: (1) removal from office and; (2) confinement or a fine.

The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for the purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.

One provision of Executive Order 10450 specifies it is a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration … of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means.”

Our form of government is defined by the Constitution of the United States. According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311.

Read your state constitutions and remind the state legislatures and heads of state what they are REQUIRED to do or face arrest and prosecution.

Permalink Reply by Bildo on January 15, 2013 at 12:31pm

You are getting legal and lawful mixed up. Illegal laws? Law is in the Republic. Legal is in the realm of the corporation. There are also 2 constitutions. The 13th Ammendment was changed. Which constitution are we speaking of?

Title 42 is a good one for breaking the oath of office.

Permalink Reply by Bruce Hopkins on January 15, 2013 at 12:37pm

I wonder if Obama's assassin would be considered a villain or a hero....

Permalink Reply by Bildo on January 15, 2013 at 12:45pm

Hero by the people, villain by Corp US, I would imagine.

Permalink Reply by Debra McGuire on January 14, 2013 at 11:36pm

and they want to authorize an unelected agency (Center for Disease Control & Prevention) to oversee it?  That gives that regulatory agency more authority than Congress over gun control.  I'm sick of these unconstitutional regulatory agencies restricting Americans with their private agendas.  Once they are authorized, they can't be stopped.  Congress can assign them, but after that, they can't do a thing to end them. And you can bet your now valueless bottom dollar that this won't be the end of restrictions once they're in control!

Permalink Reply by Andy Anduer on January 15, 2013 at 12:16am

Isn't Biden the one who said he 's not after your guns because he has a Beretta too?

It's double talk.They all need to go they work for foreign interest,   not America.

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Permalink Reply by kRzeIt on January 15, 2013 at 5:29am

 Texas Republican rep Steve Stockman threatens to file articles of impeachment against Obama if he uses Executive Order to institute gun control.  This made me happy when I saw it!!!!!!  In fact, I can't wait.  (info from Daily Caller.)

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