An Open Letter to the Revolutionaries

Your Brilliant Amaterasu Solar !  Thank you for all the hard work you contribute to us here

Thank YOU, honeygirl.  CH, We don't need to "get rid" of Them... Get awareness of this to the tipping point, many toadies will see they are better off having no master - and then info will be released.

Check out the end of the linked piece above under "A Plan."  It describes how the psychopaths will be handled.

While I have no religion, I am in love with Humanity, and see the three Laws as put forth at least as early as Zoroaster, and which are the foundation on which all religious "laws" are based (except those calling for belief in some external Being), as the only Laws We would need in energy abundance.

Also note that none of Our "laws" are actually laws - they are codes, statutes, acts, regulations, edicts, mandates, rules, bills, orders, declarations, constitutions...  There are only three Laws.

Insert a Betterment Ethic in place of the slave's ethic (work "ethic") and Humanity will shine far brighter than We might now imagine.

Thank You for the information and links!

I have to agree with Hugh.

Ultimately, yes I think AS will be right. But the type of people who will see in this kind of change will be those that opt out of mainstream society and trade/co-operate accordingly in a new social model of their own choosing.

There will be no overnight change, because firstly the elite would rather take us with them than lose, secondly, the majority of tv watching, SMS button pushing, braindead morons who can't boil an egg, let alone possess any other skills, wouldn't want to contribute to such a change. They'll sit there, demanding the fruits of others labor, and would no doubt trash and burn property and assault others when they don't get their own personal (insert piece of technology of your own choice here) for gratis.

Exchange in energy abundance/robots will be unnecessary.  We will still exchange things because We WANT to, but for fresh, organic food, for appropriate clothing, for clean water, for a comfortable home, and for anything robots can provide - We will need to exchange nothing.

Go to the interweb and order what We want. Robots will deliver. And any People whose bliss it is to deliver things...if there are any...

As for "change..."  Get the ideas I offer to the tipping point, get free energy out, invest in retrofitting & new energy using things, invest in robots...money will dissipate quickly.

Don't be so hard on the "tv watching, SMS button pushing, braindead morons who can't boil an egg, let alone possess any other skills."  Virtually ALL of Them cannot afford:  education, the wherewithal to follow Their bliss.

And ALL tech WILL BE GRATIS.  Artists will gift Their work to Those who appreciate it most.  Social currency will replace the energy accounting We presently have in place in energy scarcity.  Thanks, appreciation, lauds, gratitude, fame, fan-base, Self-satisfaction, and so on will Our currency.

Any who WANT to sit on Their butts & do nothing are welcome to do so.  But when One's bliss is affordable, few will be blissing out just vegging.

Someone has to R&D, source materials, fabricate components, build, assemble and maintain this technology.

It won't appear from nowhere.

Even in a 'individual mutualism' society - see "The Stainless Steel Rat Gets Drafted" by the late great Harry Harrison - where a minimal amount of work, allows one to build up credits - known as Whirrs, which can not accrue interest, but can be used in exchange for goods, services and would allow one to live a basic but comfortable way - such as system would be still reliant on that key issue that supposedly makes any voluntary society existing for mutual benefit work - co-operation and contribution.

Why shouldn't I be hard on lazy and predatory fucktards, who has no wish to improve themselves mentally or physically, who, when our current joke of western society no longer provides them with things gratis at the expense of others' time/labor, will openly prey on/attack people and take what they want.

There are predators in all sections of society, not just at the top.

I'll call you out on the education BS!

Some of the biggest cretins I have had the misfortune to come into contact with on several continents on this planet, regard themselves as superior over others, because they attended college/university and recieved a piece of paper, usually for their alleged study of some utterly worthless subject. These type of one-dimensional people are rarely possesing of basic common sense.

The greatest, creative minds of the human race, have more-often than not been those who are self taught.

I spent several summers as a kid in public library or in my grandfather's library, through my own choice, educating myself in as many subjects as I could...it didn't cost me anything, except my own time.

Predatory dullards, who always seem to be wearing the latest in fashion and shoes, and who excuse their actions with the overused phrase 'I'm bored', tried to burn said library down.

Bluntly, fuck 'em.

Their bliss, like that of the elite = preying on others.

I will happily seek out likeminded folks, share what knowledge I have towards a goal of mutual benefit, but there is no place for feral minded predators in any voluntary society.

DTOM, do You think there are no People who, for bliss, betterment, or earning social currency would R&D?  Robots can get materials, fabricate components, build, assemble and maintain if there are not enough People to do this whose bliss it is or are otherwise motivated...

I KNOW there are Those whose bliss is to build and program robots...

In The Abundance Paradigm, there is no NEED for exchange - of any kind, be it trade, barter, work exchange, shells, bead, coin, bills, checks, electronic funds, or even, yes, Whirrs. 

However...  We may CHOOSE to trade things or gift them - if We find such transactions amenable to all. 

Also, so many think all the work will be taken over by robots - and this is just not true.  If You have a robot, for example, to scrub Your toilet, You would have a choice.  Have the robot scrub it today, or tell the robot to stay put while YOU scrub it because You WANT to (thought most would probably opt for the robot doing it...).  If You LOVE to farm, You can tell the robots how much land You want to farm and where, and they'll clear out and You can go to town.

The question of being hard on "lazy and predatory fucktards" stems from a scarcity paradigm.  In the scarcity paradigm, where Human energy is required to keep the system running, People who "leach" off the system are a drain on the system.  In The Abundance Paradigm, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A DRAIN.  There is plenty for all, and to be frank...  MOST "lazy" People are "lazy" because They can't afford Their bliss. 

If They can't afford Their bliss, They are scant motivated to pump energy into the system.  It's not so much not WANTING to improve themselves mentally or physically, so much as not being able to afford doing so in the direction They want to go or not being able to do so, period.

There is no such thing as an economic predator in The Abundance Paradigm.  (Sexual predation may continue to be an unsolvable problem, but caught, We will lock Them in a luxurious prison.)  What would be the motive?  "I'm gonna steal that from Him...and not order My own for free over the interweb!"

As for education...  How's this for a scenario?  Children are taught over the web, with basic reading, writing, and 'rithmatic.  Beyond that each child has the option of leading Her/His (Hume's - to use the genderless pronoun for a Human) own education according to what interests Hume.  There is no "college" or even grade school.  What there is is People offering the skills and knowledge They have developed through childhood in Betterment - the Betterment Ethic has replaced the slave's work "ethic." 

On the web They have a personal site at which Others may comment on Their experience with the goods or services rendered by the provider.  In searching for a service or good, One may read the comments Others have made and thereby determine who One wants to use.

In this way, only merit is rewarded.  AND... People will get REALLY good at things for the social currency of appreciation, lauds, thanks, gratitude, fame, fans, and Self-satisfaction as They pursue Their bliss in life.  In large part also because People who are doing what They LOVE to do very rarely do it poorly.

Imagine doctors being doctors strictly because They CARE...

And in TAP...  You will never have to deal with These You hold such contempt for.  They will not affect Your life at all. 

You will surround Yourself with People You enjoy being with.  No more bosses You hate, coworkers that creep You out, or subordinates that frustrate You to no end.

No shopping and dealing with cashiers that aggravate You - robots will deliver Your interweb order.  And maybe, occasionally a Human whose bliss is delivering things...if there are any...

Teachers will have very high regard.  If They are good, They will become extremely rich in social currency.

Did I address Your concerns?  If not, please let Me know where You might need additional clarification.

AS,

Individuals still need to design and build the prototypes to begin this process.

You have still not addressed how this grand plan is to begin.

Open Source voluntaryism?

Where will the raw materials come from to fabricate everything?

Is this all under some beneficial dictatorship, that will 'obtain' and distribute materials for the public good as required.

Initially only the skilled will be able to start such a process - it won't magically come about of it's own accord.

Before this utopian system comes to pass, people still need to eat and trade goods and labor.

Troy has raised a valid point, which crossed my mind upon reading your reply.

To hand over the running of society to an automised AI intelligence would be suicide.

I reject the 'scarcity paradigm'; I've had the misfortune to come across feral predators who have been given almost everything by their well-to-do parents, including houses, cars etc.

They still spend their weekends attacking people and property.

You ask 'What would be the motive?'

You fail to address human nature.

We as individual beings are NOT all the same.

There will always be those, whose ONLY bliss comes from exercising violence, wanton destruction and control over others. 

Give them all the material comforts to pursue a positive life; and it won't matter. It will only heighten their hatred and contempt of everything around them and their goal of destroying it from within and dominating others.

History has shown this time and time again.

That's how we ended up in the current mess; no-one wants to address the main issue that we have allowed the predatory psychopaths and sociopaths to laud it over the human race for the past millenia.

DTOM, yes.  Individuals are still needed to design & build prototypes - but I know MANY who LOVE to design - and would build if They could afford it - prototypes.  I really don't think We would have a shortage of such Individuals.

Did You read the link under "A Plan?"  I DO address the process. 

1. Get awareness of the economic facts and what We can do on this planet to the tipping point.

2. As the toadies who keep the knowledge for Their "masters" see that They will not have to toady to anyOne if the knowledge is released, They will release it.

3. Add free energy, investing in retrofitting & creating new items with it (doesn't matter how much We spend, as money and debt will vanish in the end), removing the cost of external energy.

4. Invest in robots for all necessary work not enough People WANT to do.

When all this has taken place, there will be no need for money.  Things will get cheaper and cheaper as the cost of energy is removed all down the line, and since energy is 100% of the cost of anything, when all the energy costs are removed, what is left is free.

Because energy abundance is new to Humanity, a structure should be defined - and that is part of what We need to spread to the tipping point (see "The Foundation" for the societal seed).

There is no top down governMENT (control MIND).  See the link under "Governance."

We absolutely will NOT "hand over the running of society to an automised AI intelligence."  We will stigmergicly govern Ourselves.  Again, see the link under "Governance."

You say I "fail to address human nature."  I fail to address Human nature in a SCARCITY paradigm, You're right.  Because this is The Abundance Paradigm.  In scarcity, We are taught to want money and things, to consume, to buy, to accept poorly designed products that are made to fail so as to ensure future profits, to want and want and want.

Yes, in scarcity, Humans do stupid and desperate things.  In abundance there is no desperation, and the very few who are just plain nasty will earn either pariahhood - no One will invite Them anywhere or at any time, will not have anything to do with Them - or incarceration in a luxury prison if Their crime is heinous enough.  The only crimes are breaking one or more of the three Laws.

And it is BECAUSE We, as Individuals, are not all the same, that I constructed this.  Right now We ARE debt slaves. We are required to pump Our energy into a system designed to account for meaningful energy expended. Your bliss doesn't make money? Forget about it and find a job. Be a slave. You OWE the slave masters Your energy if You expect to live. You have to "EARN a LIVING."

My goal is thus:

For every Human Being to have have no need to "EARN" Their place on this abundant planet. For every Human Being to have a CHOICE of living styles - from a cave to a palace in the sky, from a humble Amish approach to a party hopper to a technogeek to...any choice that does not break the three Laws. To free Humanity from the slavery into which We are presently bound through energy scarcity requiring exchange (money, trade, etc.) to account for the meaningful energy expended.

And sure, there will be a very few Individuals who, given the ability to afford any bliss within the three Laws, will still choose to behave poorly.  VERY few.  And, as I said, We will avoid Them if We don't like Them - and lock in luxury if They break the Laws so hideously We feel endangered by Their freedom.  More or less exactly like We do now.

History cannot be used as a gauge - Humans have ALWAYS lived in a scarcity paradigm, ALWAYS been required to "earn" a living.  Always taught to want and buy and consume.  Always some part of Humanity has been desperate.  The Abundance Paradigm is terra incognita.

And in abundance no One lords it over others ("laud" means to praise highly...).  We let go of power over others in favor of autonomous power over Self.

Economic truth:  money=power=energy.

Troy, I don't believe We will create sentient, sapient robots.  But if We do, We then accord Them Beinghood, and expect adherence to the three Laws, but otherwise allow Them Their freedom.

KID, I am looking at a planetary solution. Doing as You suggest still leaves Those with money holding power over Us, AND leaves poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, and war (war profiteering.  What *I* suggest here gets rid of all that.

AND is not divide-and-conquer nationalism.

KIDNEY, yes. I was speaking to You.  And though You may feel You are free...You still have to go out and "earn" Your place on this abundance planet.  You cannot follow You bliss unless it happens to coincide with something that makes money.  We all know about starving artists, right?

Merely backing up to an earlier version in this country alone of the founding documents does nothing to solve the reasons WHY We degraded.  (A good look at some of this is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZHNjc4Xk0 ).  Because Big Business (profit motive) needs not thinkers, not bliss pursuers, but robotic slaves all programmed alike, We have been degraded to a lowest common denominator.

What I propose is to free Humanity to allow creativity to flow, freeing Us from work We don't LOVE to do.  Freeing Each to Her/His bliss.

And I doubt there is any info on free energy systems I'm unacquainted with - but for Others, thank You for providing the link to peswiki.  [smile]

And what protections do You see there being that those with money will not do the same thing again?  My goal is to awaken a new paradigm.  Capitalism, communism and socialism are scarcity paradigm solutions, requiring Humans to pump Their energy into the system to keep it operating.

But just not in all the Human history We have We are at a unique point.  We have NEVER had robots.  We have NEVER had access to the plenum ("dark") energy.  Only the last 100 years or so has the energy been accessable, and robots are just now at the point where We can use them for all necessary work no One WANTS to do.

It's time for a new and planetary solution outside the (energy) scarcity paradigm solutions.

er...just now...

Did You read the linked articles?  That's MY plan.  The articles are relatively short.  Do take a peek.  [smile]

shouldnt be a hard transition, most of us don't have much or any of that worthless federal reserve poop paper any ways

LOL! True that.  If We add free energy, the price of things will begin to drop as the cost of energy is removed down the line.  That'll make what little We DO have go further and further, and eventually the effort to collect that penny for the week's groceries, the room full of furniture, the house...will just not be worth it and things will be free.

Until we tackle the problem; that members of secret socities, are also the very same members of our worldwide governments, then we will always remain in circa 1776!  This matter is so serious, yet year in and year out, decade after decade and century following century - it's never been tackled full on!  The worldwide movements ought to be focusing on; TRANSPARENCY OF GOVERNMENTS AND ALL THEIR RELATED BODIES...and banning members from being able to serve in our governments, as they must simply resign from serving one master or the other; "the people" or "the brotherhood". - The two can no longer be expected to mix together so conveniently, the conflict of interest to "the people" is far too great and has been going on for far too long!   The time has come...

When We have removed the need for money, society will be purely egalitarian.  No One "lording" it over another.  So...  The "elite" just become a (smallish) group of People. 

Did You read the link on governance?  No more controlMIND (governMENT).

Um...  I answered most of this on the other post (Stigmergic Governance), but I do want to say...  No One would give up "ownership."  Just that "ownership" will become far less important.  Still, the three Laws apply.  If it ISN'T Yours, don't mess with it.

Most welcome, Cap'n!  May We spread awareness to the tipping point!

Ok, fine. How viable is the solution. You can't change society. It took many years of deception for them to get this far. As I state on other posts, everyone needs to change their status from corporate US citizen back to Citizen of (your state spelled out). That way all the remaining US citizens can reap the benefits of their status as DEBTORS in the corporation. Don't bother changing society, change yourselves and society might just follow along. Screw the "secret societies". Stop throwing your money at them.  I'll be posting the "how-to" pretty soon here:

 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread914635/pg1

Many have already applied the solution. I did. I am no longer liable for income tax. No IRS hassles.

But first people need to find out who they are. Heh, there's two of you. Which one are you? Creditor or DEBTOR?

Darlin, I recommend You read the links.  Therein is the detail.  See especially "A Plan."

Once free energy is flowing the cost of energy will be removed down the line, allowing Us to focus on putting in programmed machines in all NECESSARY work no One WANTS to do, removing the cost of Human energy.  100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy...

I figure it will be between 5-10 years before there is no more poverty, no more starvation, no more wage/debt slavery, no more oppression, no more profit motive (with pursuing bliss and Betterment in its place), no more war profiteering (and therefore no more inciting to war...and therefore, no more war).  Society will change merely from these changes.  No need to FORCE change.

As long as We apply ANY scarcity paradigm solution - any NEED for exchange to survive - We WILL see the same issues arising:

Greed, war, hiding advancements that threaten profit and/or control, poverty, class conflict, and so on.

Once free energy is flowing

Yup, lotsa luck. Good idea, BUT until Corp US is defanged.......

Think about it, how long ago was Tesla around? And the common man still does not have the tech to use to his/her advantage.

5-10 years     from what point in time? The tech has to be given to us before anything can happen.

I suspect that leaks that are springing now will begin to gush.  The toadies never realized the intimate relationship between money and energy, never saw that They could live as richly (or richer!) as They do now and be TOADY TO NO ONE if They released the information They presently hide.  That seems to be My job to make Them aware...

I am guessing it won't be much longer before We have free energy.

5-10 years from the point the tech is released.

"Tesla had it right"...................

Pleae do not call it a "revolution", or those who are DEFENDING our legitimate government from domsetic enemies and treasonous "representatives", "revolutionaries".

The appropriate word instead of the one coined by those domestic enemies within the federal government is "DEFEND", or "DEFENSE", or "DEFENDING", or even "DEFENDED".

Words do matter, they shape opinions. That is why the military isists that "bombing or blasting a city to bits" be called "liberating" or "air support"; because it gives the minds eye a "nicer" picture.

There's got to be a way to be able to use the Tesla tech. Are we not allowed to?

T Stirhen:  I fight a planetary evil.  I fight controlMIND (governMENT).  I seek to free ALL Humanity from poverty, starvation, oppression, wage/debt slavery, war profiteering (and thereby from WAR).  The solution is planetary.  And those who would move beyond nationalism and patriotism are the REVOLUTIONARIES I address.

Bildo, sadly, the important Tesla tech went with the FBI when They scooped up His papers upon His death.  So...  No, We're not allowed to by virtue of suppression and "national security..."  (Yeah, as the controlMIND is a corporation, it is in the interest of the corporation to keep free energy out of the hands of the public, since the removal of the need for money also removes the purpose of any corporation.)

Oh yeah. That pesky money thing. Always comes first.

I just wanted to say to you Amaterasu Solar, Awsome!!! I wish I could articulate what Is in my mind as well as you have put it into words here. You are so "On Spot" here. Very informative info! THank you so much for being on our side.

B & D

Most humble thanks.  I do hope You choose to read the linked articles.  [smile]

We must subordinate our appetites, our passions and our egotism to the wholeness of the National interests.  That way we will be a realy free people, otherwise anarchy and indiscipline will reign over us under the false mask of freedom. (atrib to Metaxis)

Such is the call to the masses, but for partymen it is a catychism.

Who would volenteer such selflessness? Only the fanatical patriot, the leader of the masses who toil and labor with strong arms and minds against international parasites, and their domestic colaborators!

The new order must have a tribal ideal of communal property, where a chief and his chieftains gather the excess for distribution to the sick workers and warriers, and impose peace upon the manifold classes and tribal bands.

The enlightened man sees that work makes prosperity, and that fuel is the base of all...food for men and beast, and fuel for the machine, that is the wealth!  Money is a veil that none too many see through.

Technocrats saw the truth about sustainablity early in the 20th century.  Their cause cant be overstated

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ps5vJrIxM

This is a movement of the youth, they may not be blinded too much by liberalism, and reactionary idleness.

Get to it, kids!

WHY must We see nationalism as the be-all, end-all?  The problem is a PLANETARY one.  And parties are designed to divide to conquer.

In reading Your comment, it is clear You have not read the links I provide.  We can lead Ourselves.  In abundance - which this planet has enormously - We all may choose to follow Our bliss.

The enlightened Human sees that We are at a unique point in Human history where Our work can be Our bliss and not pumping energy into a Human system that calls for Us to subordinate Our bliss to the needs of a system.  THAT is freedom.  THAT is wealth.

"Sustainability" emerges when We have no profit motive.  Without profit motive, We will solve problems the BEST way and not the most profitable, the cheapest, or the easiest.

As for "idleness..."  In a system that does not REQUIRE We divert Our energy to support the system, idleness is a choice.  WE choose how, when and where Our energy is added.  With a Betterment Ethic in place of the slave's work "ethic," enough of Us will choose to input as required to keep things running, better and better.

I do recommend reading the links.  You seem to be stuck in the scarcity paradigm.

Communism is a scarcity paradigm solution; so are socialism and capitalism. We need to go into The Abundance Paradigm!

Sounds, looks good, need more time to checkout links etc. - Tesla was indeed the Daddy of free power, it's out there, we will soon suss it and adopted it and all the other goodies yet to come, i.e. cars running on water etc.

Tesla, T. Townsend Brown, Wilhelm Reich, and many more.

As for cars...?  Electrogravitics could run Our cars AND allow them to fly!

Great post!  Sharing...

Thank You so much for sharing, Sweettina.  The more it is shared the closer to the tipping point We are.

Just a BTW, this post one of the very top ranking pages on search engines :) Way to go AS!

Wow! Awesome! So glad to hear! Thank You!

14300

Money creates? Or Man?

@T Roy - 2Money - the need for exchange to survive.  That constrains Humans into hierarchical castes which in turn promotes the most ruthless who become the predators of the rest, who become "masters" to Our slavehood.  Add usury - the charging of interest - and debt slavery becomes the lot for all of Us but those ruthless few.

@ 14300 It is not the the "elite" (the ruthless few) necessarily want to keep Us on oil and gas - ANY commodity They can charge for will work.  The real reason They don't want Us to have free energy is that They would lose control of Us, period.  The need for money - and Their power over Others that money affords - dissipates, and They are left with all Their things, but no One They can buy the allegiance of.

Free energy threatens the very foundation of Their power.

Amaterasu Solar perhaps so.  But if NO money still human!  Surely evil will not find other means.

"Add usury - the charging of interest - and debt slavery becomes the lot for all of Us but those ruthless few"

Now we are getting some where!

So what is the first step in totally changing human nature?

Can it really all be blamed on this evil coin?

Would we do away with ownership by any individual all together?

Who would manage and make sure it is fair?

For the better good of all no individual.

Children openly 'wards of the State?

Where would it begin and end?

"2Money - the need for exchange to survive"

I respectfully disagree!

The RIGHT of the individual to freely trade and keep the fruits of their labor.

                                        (Inalienable)

@ T Roy

1. The "evil" is confined to the few who are evil enough to exploit the rest via money/power They grabbed.

2. Debt IS slavery; if I had the only $100 in existence and loaned it to You at interest, there would be no way for You to repay Me and You would be forever in MY debt; You become owned by Me. You would be My slave.

3. Ownership will surely exist. You can have whatever You want, and once You accept something You ask for, it is Yours.  And what I propose is PURELY Individual-centric.  Freeing You and ALL Humanity from having to give up Your bliss (maybe write songs or paint pictures or climbing mountains or traveling the world or...) to get a job You hate so You can pay the bills, barely scraping by with no way to afford Your bliss.  Children are the "wards" of Their parents unless it is seen that the parents are deliberately hurting or killing Them, taking or damaging Their property, or defrauding Them (breaking the three Laws).  Maybe You should read the linked articles I wrote, eh?  These answers are there.

4.  Surely One has the right to exchange things One has made with Others.  The point is that the NECESSARY things can be provided without exchange needed. 

Tell You what... When You have read My links, come back and ask questions.  Then I won't have to answer the ones I have addressed in those pieces, eh?

What if We all just ignored Those who would control Us and just did it?  If the ideas spread to the tipping point, that is just what We will do.

Would love to know where You feel the issues are, specifically...

i want a robot to do my laundry and take out my trash .. im all for getting rid of money. i also believe there is enough energy for all we need an endless source hidden for a long time .. strip the elite of there power to horde knowledge and open up the sources of love healing and empower each other its such a nice thought .. i wish i could paint, sing, dance and have a garden ..write poetry and maybe a novel of how its been for me .. i also like to teach if only i could .. there are too many rules and regulations so i work for money and every time i pay all the bills i get to do it again in a few short weeks, i ask myself do i live to pay or pay to live either way it isn't full-filling. it makes me feel like a slave and that isnt a good feeling ... i like your paradime shift it is freedom in  a way we have never considered ... its worth  exploring if only we were free to explore .. were all trapped in a matrix built by the elite money masters