"I can’t take part in these crimes": Israeli refusenik interviewed

"I can’t take part in these crimes": Israeli refusenik interviewed

14 March 2012

Earlier this week, 18-year-old Israeli Noam Gur publicly announced her intention to refuse mandatory service in the Israeli army. Set to be drafted next month on 16 April, Gur stated in an open letter: “I refuse to take part in the Israeli army because I refuse to join an army that has, since it was established, been engaged in dominating another nation, in plundering and terrorizing a civilian population that is under its control” (“I refuse to join an army that has, since it was established, been e...,” Mondoweiss, 12 March 2012).

The Electronic Intifada contributor Jillian Kestler-D’Amours spoke with Gur about what influenced her decision to refuse military service, what the response has been so far and what she wants other young Israelis to know about the realities of serving in the Israeli army.

Jillian Kestler-D’Amours: Why have you decided to refuse your military service?

Noam Gur: Israel, since it was established, is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity, from the Nakba [the forced displacement of 750,000 Palestinians in 1947-48] until today. We see this in the last massacre in Gaza, we see this in the everyday life of Palestinians under occupation in Gaza and the West Bank, and we see this in Palestinians living inside Israel in how they’re being treated.

I don’t think that I belong in this place. I don’t think I can personally take part in these crimes and I think that we have to criticize this institution, these crimes and go out publicly saying that we will not serve in the army as long as it occupies other people.

JKD: That leads to another question, which is why did you decide to publicly state your refusal, instead of — as Israelis who get out of their military service often do — using some other kind of excuse?

NG: Ten years ago, there was a huge movement of refuseniks and in the last two or three years, it’s kind of disappeared. I’m the only refusenik this year, so for me it was trying to let people know that it still exists, first of all.

Second of all, I don’t want to be silent. I feel like [since] high school, we’ve always been silent. We always let our criticism be known only in small circles. The world doesn’t know, Palestinians don’t know. I don’t know if it will change anything, but I can only try. I feel better with myself knowing that I tried to make even the smallest change.

JKD: Did your family or upbringing have any influence on your decision to refuse military service?

NG: My parents are really not political. Both of my parents went to the army. My father took part in the first Lebanon war and was injured there. My mom, the same thing. My big sister was in the border police. My story was that I would finish high school and I would go to the army. That was the path for me.

I guess from the age of 15, I started to take an interest in the Nakba of 1948. I started reading and seeing the whole picture. I don’t know really why, but it just kind of happened. Then later, I started reading testimonies from the West Bank by Palestinians and former soldiers. I started to have Palestinian friends, and then eventually taking part in protests in the West Bank and seeing what’s going on through my own eyes.

At the age of 16, I decided I wouldn’t serve in the army.

JKD: What reaction have you received after you publicly announced your refusal?

NG: My parents are really not supportive. I guess my mom knows and my dad knows that they don’t have an option to resist [my refusal] because it’s my opinion and I’m 18 years old. I did not remain in contact with most of my friends from high school; most of them went to the army.

I received a lot of good feedback in the last few days, but also I’ve received really not friendly comments.

JKD: How have the negative comments made you feel?

NG: It’s made me feel that I should keep on with what I’m doing. Most of the comments made me feel … even if they were bad and not supportive, really made me see that it’s the right thing to do because I’m following what I believe in. It’s what I think is right and I don’t really care what other people might have to say about it.

JKD: What will happen when you formally submit your refusal to serve?

NG: On 16 April, I will have to be in the recruiting center in Ramat Gan. I will go in and I will have to declare that I’m refusing. I will stay there for a few hours and then later I will be sentenced, for [between] a week to a month. I will serve my time in one of the women’s jails, then I will be released. When I will be released, I will have to go again to Ramat Gan. Again, [I will receive] a judgment from [between] a week to a month, and this will continue until the army decides to stop.

JKD: What needs to change within Israeli society for more young people to refuse their military service?

NG: I’m not sure if it’s possible. I think we’re at a place of no return. I really do think that if we want to change anything in the Israeli society, the pressure needs to be really, really strong from outside. That’s why I support the boycott, divestment and sanctions call. It’s really going to be hard to change it from within. I think it’s kind of impossible.

JKD: What would you say to other 18-year-old Israelis who are about to start their military service?

NG: I think it’s important that everyone look into what they are doing. I think that most of the 18-year-olds, from my personal experience, don’t really know what they’re going into. They don’t really know what’s going on in [the West Bank and Gaza Strip]. The only way they will see Palestinians for the first time will be once they will be soldiers.

It will be really smart move to start, before getting enlisted to the army, to see what’s really going on. Try to realize, talk to people … it’s not that scary. Try to read what people have to say. I think it’s really important to see what you’re going into.

Jillian Kestler-D’Amours is a reporter and documentary filmmaker based in Jerusalem. More of her work can be found at http://jkdamours.com/.

Views: 481

Comment

You need to be a member of 12160 Social Network to add comments!

Join 12160 Social Network

"Destroying the New World Order"

TOP CONTENT THIS WEEK

THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE SITE!

mobile page

12160.info/m

12160 Administrators

 

Latest Activity

tjdavis posted a blog post
9 hours ago
tjdavis posted a video

Cast a Giant Shadow (1966) - Trailer

Directed by: Melville ShavelsonYear: 1966Country: USAGenre(s): Drama, History, WarSYNOPSIS:In this fact-based film, distinguished U.S. Army Col. David Marcus...
10 hours ago
Less Prone favorited tjdavis's photo
yesterday
cheeki kea posted a photo
yesterday
cheeki kea favorited Doc Vega's blog post The De-intellectualizing of the West!
yesterday
rlionhearted_3 commented on Doc Vega's blog post The Exposure of the 9-11 attacks as an Inside Job! In Plane SITE!
"  Scrubbed from the internet? The idiots photographed themselves!!! “Conspiracy…"
Tuesday
rlionhearted_3 commented on Doc Vega's blog post The Exposure of the 9-11 attacks as an Inside Job! In Plane SITE!
Tuesday
Doc Vega posted a blog post

A Halloween Story

 I’d made a reservation for a cabin a day before Halloween was to fall. I guess watching little…See More
Monday
Less Prone favorited tjdavis's blog post The Trap
Sunday
Doc Vega's 2 blog posts were featured
Sunday
Doc Vega commented on Doc Vega's blog post The Exposure of the 9-11 attacks as an Inside Job! In Plane SITE!
"rlionhearted, That's a question I've asked from thevery beginning! What the hel;l was…"
Saturday
Doc Vega commented on Doc Vega's blog post The Exposure of the 9-11 attacks as an Inside Job! In Plane SITE!
"Less Prone, they are not just folling us they are killing innocent citizens and non-combatants for…"
Saturday
tjdavis posted a video

The Conformist (1970) Original Trailer [HD]

Directed by Bernardo Bertolucci. With Jean-Louis Trintignant, Stefania Sandrelli and Gastone Moschin.The Conformist Blu-ray : https://amzn.to/3QruE5FThe Conf...
Saturday
Doc Vega posted a blog post

How Ukraine Revolutionized Warfare and Stopped Putin

 A war that Vladimir Putin sold to his people that would be a cake walk that would be over in a few…See More
Friday
tjdavis posted a photo
Oct 1
tjdavis posted a photo
Oct 1
tjdavis posted a blog post
Oct 1
tjdavis posted a video

Linda Moulton Howe Reopens the Antarctica Mystery With New Claims

Linda Moulton Howe has reopened a file she guarded for twenty-five years, and nearly every witness inside it is now gone. It holds testimony about Antarctica...
Oct 1
tjdavis posted a photo
Oct 1
Doc Vega favorited Central Scrutinizer's group Clinton For Prison!
Oct 1

© 2026   Created by truth.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service

content and site copyright 12160.info 2007-2019 - all rights reserved. unless otherwise noted