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Comment by Sweettina2 on April 10, 2011 at 6:26pm

How can we have decent schools, they have laid off the school teachers, taken away their money and they are spending it to kill innocent people around the world for their almighty damned oil.  The damn zionist bastards have destroyed this country/world.  People are working around the clock with no time to spend with their children!  Right on Nikki!

Discipline should be in the home.  My kids didnt act like that because they would be responsible for them.  Pepper spraying even the most unruly kids is out of damn reasoning!

Comment by Nikki on April 10, 2011 at 5:22pm

The reason that American children test at the bottom compared to other countries has nothing to do with paddling or the lack thereof.  And I really have to question the true motives of anyone who believes in paddling (teaching violence).  The real reason children test low is a lack of parental involvement with their kids schooling.  You have many kids who go straight from school into after-school programs or are latch-key kids left on their own.  And when the parent/s finally come home from work they say they are too tired to sit down with the kids and go over their homework with them, make sure their assignments are complete, read their text books, etc.  And many moms who do stay at home had rather drink beer/wine and watch soap operas instead of working with their kids.  We already know that public schools are inadequate and many private ones have problems too, so the parents must step in  and make sure their kids are learning and help with lessons and assignments they don't understand.  Kids need a desk, supplies and a quiet place to do their work. The parents must demand a syllabus and be aware when assignments are due and stay in communication with the teacher(s).  Parents need to go through backpacks to find important notices sent home by the school/teachers. They must take the kids to the library/craft store on time when books/supplies are needed to complete assignments.  And many of the projects assigned today are very complex and require parents to be involved.  Your child should have a healthy breakfast before school and take a healthy lunch/snacks with them.  When they come home from school they need an hour of down time before they begin their work.  But it should be completed in most cases before dinner unless a big assignment is due or a test will be given the next day.  And when their work is complete, kids should be rewarded with down time or an outside activity such as sports, dance, horses, etc. Kids will not be successful if they first start their homework at 8 or 9 at night and of course they need 8 hours of sleep.  If you are not willing to do this for your kids, then you shouldn't have any.  And no BS excuses that you are tired after a long day of work.  It's interesting that the foreigners who immigrate to the US (in most cases) get it while the dumb-ass lazy Americans can't figure this out.  And I shouldn't have to say this but if there's turmoil at home such as parents arguing, fighting siblings, etc this will affect your child at school and interfere with their education.

Comment by Cryptocurrency on April 10, 2011 at 3:26pm

Wisdom is not relative to what, Jude? I'm glad you're not teaching my kids.

 

And I never said because my friends are school teachers that I am right. I merely spotlighted the suggestion you made, which was that maybe you and the third graders knew something all of us professionals do not. I was being sardonic dip-shit.

 

You don't pepper spray kids. Bottom line and, Jen is correct, the parents are responsible for correcting behavioral problems first and foremost. The teachers are educators not paddlers. How is a teacher going to correct years of bad parenting with a paddle?

 

I have spent time around VERY successful families that raise their kids that go on to become highly productive adults. The formula for raising children is not only used by them (celebrities, pro athletes, etc) but also recommended by behavioral psychologists. That formula is this:

1. You MUST, and I mean, MUST, be consistent with rewards and punishments. Positive reinforcement for good/acceptable behavior, and swift, non-violent punishments. Children must know exactly what is expected of them and what the limits are.  Just like in the real world, they learn early, the swift and direct consequences for their actions, whether good, or as bad as they may be. This formula is also the mark of a good leader. See The Art of War by Sun Tzu. 
2. YOU have to set the example. Children are sponges for behavioral styles and modes of character. They are going to imitate and emulate those around them. So the way you act, and the cigarettes you smoke are all going to have a very strong influence over their behavior. Example: whether or not they like football, or use tobacco products. 
3. The family structure is important, but studies have shown that peer bonding is just as important, and in many cases more important. Show me your friends and I'll show you your ends. Peers very often have MORE influence and bring more satisfaction to your children than you, as a parent does. Help them choose their friends wisely.
4. And lastly, they need love and encouragement. Pick them up when they fall, go to their baseball games, laugh with them, cry with them; parent to child bonding is required for raising happy, healthy, and productive children. 

It takes a whole village to raise a child. Not a PADDLE.

 

I'll let you have the last word Jude. I refuse to waste another second of my time with you and your paddle.

Comment by Nikki on April 10, 2011 at 2:17pm

I'm wondering how many people commenting here have children, esp school-age children.  Well I do and I'll tell you what happens.  Yes Jude discipline is necessary but it's up to the parents to discipline their children, not the schools.  There are very few schools left where spanking is permissible and that's due to teachers and school districts being sued.  Some schools still do detention but most can't keep kids after school hours due to transportation issues.  But what they actually do is constantly threaten the kids and parents with suspensions and expulsion.  And it doesn't take much to get expelled from school these days.  So the schools are putting all the responsibility back on to the parents (where it belongs) because by law the kid must be in school so the parents must find another school willing to take them.  If another public school takes them and they get expelled then the parents have to find a private school which cost them $$. And if they get expelled from private schools then they are forced to put them into a state or private school/institution for kids with behavioral issues and again that might cost them $$.  Special ed classes are for children who have learning issues but not necessarily behavioral issues and they may require a constantly disruptive child to be medicated and if the parents don't like it they are free to put their kid in another school.  Bottom line: don't expect the state to raise your kids for you or transom your little monster into an upstanding student - it's your job to do that.

Comment by Isaac Dus on April 10, 2011 at 1:02pm

Merith, I agree, you have it about right. e-Moth ^_^

Comment by Jude on April 10, 2011 at 12:55pm

And now I understand why American children test at the bottom on a world-wide scholastic level. The attitude toward discipline by many of you here is unbelievable. I wonder - what if this kid was 12 years old instead of 8, and threatening teacher and kids with the same piece of trim - holding it like a knife - would the attitude be different? What if he were 17? How about 20? The problem started at a much younger age and has been allowed to fester due to lack of discipline. If you nip the problem in the bud when it first starts, you will not have to deal with the same problem when they are older - that's what discipline is all about. Obviously, the school has no discipline. And KRYPKE, it doesn't matter how many teachers you know, that doesn't prove your right. That kind of logic is foolishness. Wisdom is not relative nor does knowledge seep into your brain by the amount of educated people that you associate with.

Comment by Andy Anduer on April 10, 2011 at 10:08am

I was surfing a couple of weeks ago and ran into a site about the "Slave history of women" I glazed though it but then it dawn on me that slavery has always been around, whether forced or voluntary.

Google it.and if you look at the world, even the free nations, it's really not much difference. We work a job voluntarily  and get paid, a little overtime and your slave master pays you a little more. We work because if we don't work, we don't eat either), but even that can be taken 2 ways. Just a thought.

Comment by Harry Thomas on April 10, 2011 at 5:34am

slave training through mind control, this is purely conditioning on everybody one way or another and i do mean everybody

Comment by Andy Anduer on April 10, 2011 at 4:49am

You are right, sometimes corporal punishment IS necessary . The wisest man in the world knew this also;  Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Holy Bible

Comment by Andy Anduer on April 10, 2011 at 1:36am

With young kids like that talking and probing is the way to find out whats bugging them and why they are fearful. Words are real things, they can pick you up, or knock you down or help you or hurt you .

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