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Permalink Reply by Jeff on May 4, 2009 at 8:29pm

Let me add this Jamie.

Although I haven't yet posted it my next post does give pause to your thoughts about 1939 Germany. I wonder what would happen if the context of my next editorial post were found to be true. Please read it and comment. It will be posted shortly and is about Obama. The title will be "?," a simple question mark, no words.

Please understand, in all of my arguments I recognize clearly that I may be wrong. Human beings are full of opinions and many are not based on empirical fact, in fact few are. We don't always have pure facts to work with and much of our rhetoric is conjecture. Read my next post, it'll be up shortly.

Jamie said:

You don't get it do you ? The purge on 6 million eastern European Jews could have been prevented if the German citizens had not kept silent during the Nazi regime.

You don't believe the civilian inmate labor program is a walk in the park ? Do you realize that those people who don't have a clue about these FEMA camps will be taken to these camps without their full knowledge on whats behind the curtain ? They will be dumped there under the pretext of their protection; only to be told later on that they have no choice ?

We will not be silent when these bigots are planning a repeat of 1939 Germany.

You can go join the movement to warn the gullible citizens or you can just waste away the precious time. Its your choice.

Jeff said:

All that you've said is true.

However, Glen Beck isn't someone that rates any recognition with me. I have no television and see him on rare occasions on web videos. He's another actor, nothing more. He doesn't deserve the recognition he's getting, good or bad.

Right now the Supreme Court just sent the Janice Jackson nipple slip case, yup the one from the Superbowl eons ago, back to the 3rd Circuit suggesting the 3rd Circuit reinstate the fine imposed on CBS (or whichever station it was) that was originally imposed. A purely wasteful use of taxpayer time and money, which is endemic to a Democracy. A Glen Beck Fiasco would be equally as wasteful. Some things are best ignored, they then go away.

Jamie said:

How about we start with their mouthpiece Glenn Beck and Co.?

We can't question the governments foreign policy ( on the presumption of security ) but we can't allow them to get away with plotting against their own people. Oh and the government is being sued for their domestic wiretap folly.

Jeff said:

Governments can be described as men without heads. Often they do things for seemingly unknown reasons that appear wrong, are wrong, and shouldn't have occurred. However, that doesn't mean the government has some dastardly plan culled from a sinister playbook.

A fine current example is the recent flyby that Airforce One did in New York City. While local government officials knew ahead of time they were told to tell no one, and they did just that. The result was local fear and hysteria. The reasoning was that Airforce One performed a flyby for photographs. Perhap, perhaps not. Either way, telling the public in advance was the right thing to do but it wasn't done. Governments are like that.

In a legitimate pandemic 500,000 dead bodies might very well be a realistic scenario. In a legitimate terrorist attack, though it appears we've never had one of those, 500,000 dead bodies might also be realistic. I can think of other scenarios as well. As a government, being prepared for 500,000 deaths without rhyme or reason is probably a reasonable preparation.

It is hardly likely however that a government such as ours would be preparing for the prospective of murdering 500,000 of it's own citizens. To begin with, it's a rather small segment of our society to eliminate for whatever reasons and at the same time it is such a large segment that the local fallout and global consequences and repercussions would cause the immediate fall of any legitimately elected government.

The only dastardly plans from sinister playbooks our own government possesses is their desire to continue to kill innocent people in foreign countries and we have done that for 100+ years and probably won't ever stop. War is the only effective devise for depopulation and we don't fight them in our own backyards.

While I agree with, "What the government does not have is the right to erect secret prison like facilities with no known reason" I will also posit that we don't have a right to kill innocent Iraqi's, innocent Afgans and innocent Pakistani's, but we do. Our government does not have a right to spy on us but they do. There are many things governments do in the 21st Century especially, that they don't have a right to do. Where would you like to start?

Jamie said:

I agree with the argument that the government has a obligation to protect life and peace in case of emergency. What the government does not have is the right to erect secret prison like facilities with no known reason. In fact the FEMA facilities were not known to anyone until someone noticed a tender document on the website.

The government has acted in bad faith in denying FOIA requests by concerned citizens on FEMA camp information. More, I've seen a video where Alex Jones was even denied access to the road leading up to the FEMA facility despite his press credentials. He was told at gun point to turn around and leave the vicinity. All this points to a secret mission, accomplished without an act of congress; under the obscure executive order of the President. In fact, I'd like to know where the funding for these structures have been sourced. I'd bet even the congress does not have a clue as to the source of these funds.

Again, this whole infrastructure of martial law could not have been achieved without secrecy. If you wish, see Inside source reveals FEMA and DHS preparing for mass graves and Ma... courtesy of puppetgov.com.

Imagine a situation that a concerned government requires a facility to house disaster victims. I'd argue there is absolutely no requirement to keep this information secret and flout the norms of government mandate. After all there are no domestic terrorists roaming the streets of America. The "domestic terrorists" argument is being slowly phased in with memos in the recent times as if to say - we now have the facilities to house these alleged domestic terrorists and its okay to go after them.

And the media is being used to subdue the public's perception that "unfortunate events" are being planned by the elites. If you see the chart you'll understand the spike in public interest has gone down after the story by Glenn and co. debunking Web Myths about FEMA camps. That is what is criminal about this operation.

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Permalink Reply by Jamie on May 4, 2009 at 9:05pm

The folks from the census bureau are collecting GPS info on homes right now again without your knowledge. So you can assume the elites are planning on a raid to clear up dissenters. According to DHS memos, that includes anyone with an inclination to the right; left and in-between. This is not conjecture and hindsight; it's subjugation.

If you want to remain in fantasy that the government won't go after American's you're in denial. If you want to remain in denial that's fine. But don't spread the innocence around.
It's war that the government is waging on the innocent people.

Peace.


Jeff said:

OK, I took a few minutes to watch the video linked to the words "we will not be silenced." Jamie! There isn't a single thing in that video that I don't agree with. I have argued relentlessly with people ON THIS SITE that claim Islam wants to destroy Israel, that make various ridiculous claims IN SUPPORT OF WAR. These people claim to be Christians and couldn't be farther from the reality of faith. They support WAR and the DEATH of innocent people who simply want to live and raise their families using religion to justify their beliefs. It's ludicrous.

ALL I AM SAYING is that people in this country won't be rounded up and imprisoned and if you think that then it's your right to do so as it is mine to believe otherwise. The NWO has better methods of depopulating the planet and they use them every day. They're called wars. They don't need to imprison Americans on American land and that won't happen and it appears to me that you believe it will. The great thing about this country is that we are entitled to our personal beliefs.

I will continue to campaign for an end to wars EVERYWHERE and an end to the pursuit of EMPIRE while you are free to pursue your own goals.

PEACE.

Jamie said:

You don't get it do you ? The purge on 6 million eastern European Jews could have been prevented if the German citizens had not kept silent during the Nazi regime.

You don't believe the civilian inmate labor program is a walk in the park ? Do you realize that those people who don't have a clue about these FEMA camps will be taken to these camps without their full knowledge on whats behind the curtain ? They will be dumped there under the pretext of their protection; only to be told later on that they have no choice ?

We will not be silent when these bigots are planning a repeat of 1939 Germany.

You can go join the movement to warn the gullible citizens or you can just waste away the precious time. Its your choice.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff on May 4, 2009 at 11:44pm

Jamie, having the GPS location of my house is an absurd fear. My front door and home location is on every city map and state roster. What could someone possibly do with my front door GPS'd that they couldn't do without it?

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Permalink Reply by Jamie on May 5, 2009 at 12:18am

Ever heard of Ruby Ridge in Idaho and Waco, Texas ? The feds were there on recon missions prior to the attacks. They were visited despite their "American" values and paid their dues. So, don't let yourselves be deluded that you'll be protected from these pigs because you are American.

Jeff said:

Jamie, having the GPS location of my house is an absurd fear. My front door and home location is on every city map and state roster. What could someone possibly do with my front door GPS'd that they couldn't do without it?

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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on May 5, 2009 at 12:32am

We need to get you two an argument discussion in the forum ...

I don't want to get involved but i think you take a lot of this too lightly Jeff.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff on May 5, 2009 at 1:10am

I'm willing to admit there's a possibility that I do. But there's also a possibility that others are too paranoid.

Ruby Ridge and Waco won't be happening at my house.

Although both were egregious violations of the rights of Americans they were well out of the ordinary. There's nothing I do that could be considered illegal, unless and until free speech is rescinded. That's highly unlikely and if it does occur we're all screwed.

I do what I can. I have no job, no taxable income, no bank accounts, no credit cards, buy NOTHING at all with the exception of food and grow a substantial portion of my food.

If the rest of us, all of us, made the same short term sacrifices we would have a substantial platform to stand on. The key is the closure of bank accounts and getting out of the system. Too many people have too many 'things' to entertain the idea. They might lose homes, cars and stuff. The way I see it, if I take your position, there's more to lose than homes, cars and stuff. So what's up with that? Where are all the people that should be jumping on the bandwagon, quitting their jobs, closing their bank accounts and shutting the system down? I'll tell you where they are. At home or at work afraid to make theses difficult sacrifices. Talk is cheap LazersShadow. I was able to accumulate stuff over a long lifetime and can now afford to live inexpensively, can do so easily, and still keep my stuff. Younger people aren't so fortunate but they do talk up a good storm. When I see younger people making serious sacrifices for their beliefs I'll perhaps have a different perspective.

For the time being I'm comfortable with the notion that no, the US government has no plans to lock up a huge percentage of the people. It's patently absurd.

Now bear in mind, at 18 years of age I was a long haired rebellious hippie protester getting arrested at rallies whose causes I believed in, particularly the Vietnam War. Where are the protesters now? Oh, the 20 people in front of the Federal Reserve last week? Come on, Americans are the most apathetic weak kneed people on the planet.

There are very few patriots who are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to affect serious federal changes. MLK was able to get 100s of 1000s of blacks, and many whites, to march on Washington. Who will do that now? No one.

When the time comes for real action I'll be there. Until then it's all BS. All talk.

TheLasersShadow said:

We need to get you two an argument discussion in the forum ...

I don't want to get involved but i think you take a lot of this too lightly Jeff.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff on May 5, 2009 at 1:14am

What I mean in short is that I wouldn't take it all so lightly if I was confident that 100s of 1000s of other people would come to my side. They won't. American Idol is on. I'm just pissed off that all of my hippie friends grew up and became normal folks, that's all. I may have grown up but my values remained the same, it's just that there are very few people with the same values.

Jeff said:

I'm willing to admit there's a possibility that I do. But there's also a possibility that others are too paranoid.

Ruby Ridge and Waco won't be happening at my house.

Although both were egregious violations of the rights of Americans they were well out of the ordinary. There's nothing I do that could be considered illegal, unless and until free speech is rescinded. That's highly unlikely and if it does occur we're all screwed.

I do what I can. I have no job, no taxable income, no bank accounts, no credit cards, buy NOTHING at all with the exception of food and grow a substantial portion of my food.

If the rest of us, all of us, made the same short term sacrifices we would have a substantial platform to stand on. The key is the closure of bank accounts and getting out of the system. Too many people have too many 'things' to entertain the idea. They might lose homes, cars and stuff. The way I see it, if I take your position, there's more to lose than homes, cars and stuff. So what's up with that? Where are all the people that should be jumping on the bandwagon, quitting their jobs, closing their bank accounts and shutting the system down? I'll tell you where they are. At home or at work afraid to make theses difficult sacrifices. Talk is cheap LazersShadow. I was able to accumulate stuff over a long lifetime and can now afford to live inexpensively, can do so easily, and still keep my stuff. Younger people aren't so fortunate but they do talk up a good storm. When I see younger people making serious sacrifices for their beliefs I'll perhaps have a different perspective.

For the time being I'm comfortable with the notion that no, the US government has no plans to lock up a huge percentage of the people. It's patently absurd.

Now bear in mind, at 18 years of age I was a long haired rebellious hippie protester getting arrested at rallies whose causes I believed in, particularly the Vietnam War. Where are the protesters now? Oh, the 20 people in front of the Federal Reserve last week? Come on, Americans are the most apathetic weak kneed people on the planet.

There are very few patriots who are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to affect serious federal changes. MLK was able to get 100s of 1000s of blacks, and many whites, to march on Washington. Who will do that now? No one.

When the time comes for real action I'll be there. Until then it's all BS. All talk.

TheLasersShadow said:

We need to get you two an argument discussion in the forum ...

I don't want to get involved but i think you take a lot of this too lightly Jeff.

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Permalink Reply by Tara on May 5, 2009 at 1:42am

Jeff, I'm in a band and one of our band members was an activist back in the days and he has told us about his part in the anti-war movement and the like. He told us he was also a part of the white panthers out of Lansing, MI back then working in concert with the black panthers.

Do you know what he is doing now? He's happily complacent, not really doing anything productive but being bossed around by his domineering wife. I can't even discuss politics with him because the fire within is obviously gone. I think that he has drank the koolaid from Obama's cup and is hopelessly stuck in the right/left pardigm. It's like he has totally given up on life and has resigned to being normal like you said. How sad is that?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff on May 5, 2009 at 1:53am

It's, to me, TERRIBLY SAD, because I was there, a part of it all. When people protested the streets were FILLED with us. Young people took to the streets and we made vast changes to the American social structure, the very fabric of society. Changes that echo through the country even still today. But like you've said, that spark is gone, my friends are grown and dispersed across the country in jobs they probably hate and APATHY is their middle name. Do me a personal favor and listen to this song. It's by a little known 60s band. Listen to the words. I grew up on this stuff. It's all gone now. My favorite verse begins at 2 minutes 59 seconds. The words are the stuff I lived for, all gone. You'll understand my pure frustration.

Click Here

Tara said:

Jeff, I'm in a band and one of our band members was an activist back in the days and he has told us about his part in the anti-war movement and the like. He told us he was also a part of the white panthers out of Lansing, MI back then working in concert with the black panthers.

Do you know what he is doing now? He's happily complacent, not really doing anything productive but being bossed around by his domineering wife. I can't even discuss politics with him because the fire within is obviously gone. I think that he has drank the koolaid from Obama's cup and is hopelessly stuck in the right/left pardigm. It's like he has totally given up on life and has resigned to being normal like you said. How sad is that?

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