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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on April 27, 2009 at 12:13pm

This Flu is the precursor to the real killer bug thats waiting for this one to spread.

Permalink Reply by SueW on April 27, 2009 at 4:04pm

NOTE: you look up "swine flu" on the CDC website and it's a blank page. :)

ALSO: everytime we get a flu pandemic "warning" from the media, they remind us of all the deaths in 1918 from the flu ... forgetting that most deaths do NOT happen from the flu but from complications thereof and that they had NO ANTIBIOTICS in 1918 to deal with those complications (as well as no indoor plumbing - another great improvement to the cutting down of disease) as well as not much of a concept of sanitation nor nutrition.

Even if we ARE hit with a nasty flu, IT AINT THE SAME. It aint EVEN CLOSE.

Most of the deaths were in Mexico so we don't know much about the circumstances there. Could be anything from contaminated water (which we KNOW does exist in Mexico) to ?

It's helping the stock market go up though say some pundits... could this be behind the scare?

The Los Angeles Times (bless them) actually had a interesting article about this:

courant.com/health/la-sci-swine-history27-2009apr27,0,3434464.story Courant.com Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled
The episode triggered an enduring public backlash against flu vaccination, embarrassed the federal government and cost the director of the CDC his job.

By Shari Roan

April 27, 2009
Warren D. Ward, 48, was in high school when the swine flu threat of 1976 swept the U.S. The Whittier man remembers the episode vividly because a relative died in the 1918 flu pandemic, and the 1976 illness was feared to be a direct descendant of the deadly virus.

"The government wanted everyone to get vaccinated," Ward said. "But the epidemic never really broke out. It was a threat that never materialized."

What did materialize were cases of a rare side effect thought to be linked to the shot. The unexpected development cut short the vaccination effort -- an unprecedented national campaign -- after 10 weeks.

The episode triggered an enduring public backlash against flu vaccination, embarrassed the federal government and cost the director of the U.S. Center for Disease Control, now known as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, his job.

The pandemic fears of the time and the resulting vaccine controversy may be fueling some of the public's -- and media's -- anxiety about the current outbreak, said health officials who recalled the previous event.

Ward said his family discussed the vaccine in 1976 and decided not to get it. If a vaccine is ordered for this latest threat, he said, "I'm not getting it. I felt back then like it was a bunch of baloney."

The swine flu brush of 1976 -- some call it a debacle -- holds crucial lessons for the government and health officials who must decide how to react to the new swine flu threat in the days and weeks ahead.

For starters, officials must keep the public informed. They must admit what they know and don't know. They must have a plan ready should the health threat become dangerous. And they must reassure everyone that there is no need to worry in the meantime.

It's a tall order. Doubts about the government's ability to handle a possible flu pandemic linger, said Dr. Richard P. Wenzel, chairman of internal medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University, who diagnosed some of the early cases in 1976.

"I think we're going to have to be cautious," Wenzel said. "Hopefully, there will be a lot of good, honest public health discussion about what happened in 1976."

Officials should be prepared for plenty of second-guessing, especially for any decisions regarding vaccination, which was at the core of the 1976 controversy, said Dr. David J. Sencer, the CDC director who led the government's response to the threat and was later fired.

"There were good things and bad things about it," said Sencer, who is retired and lives in the Atlanta area. "People have to make science the priority. They have to rely on science rather than politics."

The question of whether politics overtook science in 1976 has been the fodder of books, articles and discussions for 33 years.

The panic in 1976 was partly because of the belief -- now known to be erroneous -- that the 1918-19 flu pandemic, which killed half a million Americans and as many as 50 million worldwide, was caused by a virus with swine components. Recent research suggests instead that it was avian flu, but that seems unlikely to assuage the current anxiety.

The episode began in February 1976, when an Army recruit at Ft. Dix, N.J., fell ill and died from a swine flu virus thought to be similar to the 1918 strain. Several other soldiers at the base also became ill. Shortly thereafter, Wenzel and his colleagues reported two cases of the flu strain in Virginia.

"That raised the concern that the original cluster at Ft. Dix had spread beyond New Jersey," said Wenzel, former president of the International Society for Infectious Diseases.

At the CDC, Sencer solicited the opinions of infectious disease specialists nationwide and, in March, called on President Ford and Congress to begin a mass inoculation.

The $137-million program began in early October, but within days reports emerged that the vaccine appeared to increase the risk for Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare neurological condition that causes temporary paralysis but can be fatal.

Waiting in long lines at schools and clinics, more than 40 million Americans -- almost 25% of the population -- received the swine flu vaccine before the program was halted in December after 10 weeks.

More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died. No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination. The federal government paid millions in damages to people or their families.

However, the pandemic, which some experts estimated at the time could infect 50 million to 60 million Americans, never unfolded. Only about 200 cases of swine flu and one death were ultimately reported in the U.S., the CDC said.

The public viewed the entire episode as political farce, Sencer said. But at the time, he said, the government erred on the side of caution.

"If we had that knowledge then, we might have done things differently," Sencer said. "We did not know what sort of virus we were dealing with in those days. No one knew we would have Guillain-Barre syndrome. The flu vaccine had been used for many years without that happening."

Wenzel also recommended vaccination in 1976. "It was a great effort," he said. "It just had unexpected, unfortunate side effects."

In Mexico, where 22 people have died from the current swine flu outbreak, government officials are under fire for their handling of the situation. But people fail to understand the challenges faced by health officials with such a mysterious threat, said Dr. Peter Katona, an infectious disease expert at UCLA.

"You have to look at not only 1976 but 1918," he said. "The pandemic flu that occurred in 1918 lasted a year and a half. In 1976, we didn't know what was going to happen. The virus might burn out. It might proliferate. These viruses have a mind of their own, and we don't know how to predict what will happen."

CDC officials have been wisely circumspect in their comments about the current outbreak, Sencer said.

"I like the fact that they have said, 'We may change our minds,' " he said. "Don't expect health officials to have the answers overnight. These things need time to be sorted out. We're still in the learning curve."

Dr. Richard Krause, who headed the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 1976, has noted drolly that public health officials involved in the next pandemic flu threat "have my best wishes."

shari.roan@latimes.com

Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on April 27, 2009 at 5:48pm

Race specific Bio Weapons , its not complicated

TweekJones said:

Its simple really. Americans have a much higher immunity to the flu then Mexicans.

Permalink Reply by Jamie on April 27, 2009 at 9:39pm

From the reports on MSM, Its all so matter of factly and very much like a returning flu from every year. Notice, there is NO discussion on why this flu has become airborne as opposed to earlier strains. Like its the fault of the unhygienic population, they are making this seem like it cannot be contained, setting up for a major outbreak. Disgusting. Many people are actually taking this lightly from the effect of this propaganda
that it will not harm anyone who has "immunity" whatever that is.

artcarran said:

I've noticed a trend in media coverage to just refer to it as "swine flu," and to not even mention the fact that it is a chimera of swine, bird and human flu...