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Permalink Reply by Nathan on August 5, 2012 at 9:13am

..because if you don't vote with peaceful measures the only alternative is what Jeffy there says.

 

Only if one has a two-dimensional outlook.

Permalink Reply by Chip on August 9, 2012 at 1:32pm

It has already failed. Obumbler is a Marxist and Romney is not. That is the only difference between them. In a later post you state you voted for obumbler because you were brainwashed by his bs. That was your choice and these folks here have their own choices to make. I plan to vote and that is my choice, the rest here are free to do what they wish and it is a privilege to get on a site like this and discuss or vent on the state of this country. Your boy obumbler is trying to squash free speech and a site like this can go away in a flash. How are you changing things for the better? You had your choice and chance in 08 and it failed.

Permalink Reply by richard terrence on August 4, 2012 at 8:44pm

people still think there is a difference. Between the parties. Naivete never dies... it simply resurfaces with each generation... each generation mind controlled, conditioned through the education system and knowledge base controlled since 1868 by the Roths... Get a clue folks... we NEVER won the Revolutionary war. We never separated from Britain and Britain ceded their empire to the Pope. Everything thing you think you know is false. Your Hopes are false. Your dreams mere chimera. There is no solution in the box. You must think outside of it. Should you have the courage.

Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 5, 2012 at 4:11am

RP or GJ 2012.
You got any proof for your claims there or you just enjoy spouting out clueless dribble?

Permalink Reply by rtaylortitle on August 4, 2012 at 8:47pm

There are absolutely no upsides to NOT voting....none.  You may have proven something to yourself, but it has done -0- to improve the status quo.  As long as there is a legitimate 3rd party to vote for, I will go down fighting and vote for that party.  Ron Paul's timidity hurt him and, in effect, the entire nation.  He should have come out like a roaring lion when the first vote rigging occurred....he didn't and that's all of our loss.

Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 5, 2012 at 4:12am

Prove it is rigged first than I'll tell you why but you have yet to do that.

Permalink Reply by Nathan on August 21, 2012 at 11:44am

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8971879124929324405&q=...

Permalink Reply by rtaylortitle on August 5, 2012 at 9:56pm

Explain to me how NOT voting is voting?  No one gets that message...no one.  You really think the corporate owned mass media is going to report how many people didn't vote?  They could care less.  It will never be discussed and even if it was it will be a discussion that goes no where. Exactly WHAT machinations will come into play by NOT voting?  Really....explain.  Yes, we already know elections are rigged, but we must not surrender our minds in the process.  What cards are you speaking of by NOT voting?  What cards...please explain.

Permalink Reply by T Stirhen on August 6, 2012 at 8:08am

Your answer "not to vote" is the same as handing them the keys to your house. The real answer is to TAKE BACK THE VOTE.

Yes, go low tech - make ALL in America, which is cheaper anyway and creates more jobs:

Print out ballots in a size MOST people can read,

With a box at the end of each choice to be filled in (ink).

Vote in private

COUNT in public: all precincts are counted by human hands in public where all who want, and some assigned to, can watch and verify the count - videos of the counts run on all sides for "backup" verification. Every place it is counted there MUST be those assigned to watch and those who want to watch, plus back up videos from all views.

Re do the 2012 GOP as a quick low tech vote in all states that have voted - ASAP.

Have Oath keeping peace officers there to truly "keep the peace" (instead of crush those who object to the destruction of our legitimate government) from ANY who want to stop OUR legitimate election (because they will want to stop it).

Abide by OUR open, low tech elections, as we do NOT have to abide by the deception and corrupt "elections" that have gone on ignoring our legitimate government and our legitimate laws.

No "news reporters" allowed who will NOT cover equally ALL candidates. Cover, not make rude comments other then to ask questions of interest to the American people - not the questions supplied by their owners. Remember:

The Supreme Court stated in Red Lion v. FCC in 1969: “It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the Government itself or a private licensee. It is the Right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here. That right may NOT constitutionally be abridged either by Congress or by the FCC.”

Start calling for the arrests and prosecution of the head of the FCC and about 4 or 5 layers directly below. Put someone in place who will FOLLOW our legitimate government.

This is OUR country. We have a LEGITIMATE government, the Constitution of the United States of America.

These are OUR elections, and it is up to us to require them to be legitimate, not fraudulent and corrupt.

Then start having public discussions with any senator or congress from your state who has NOT kept their Oath; list where they have deviated from it. Remind them that it is a legally binding requirement for them to KEEP to be able to stay in the position they occupy.

Remind them that the Oath is a REQUIREMENT to get into, and they must keep it to be able to STAY in the position they are occupying. Not keeping that Oath means they stepped down from that office/position of their own free will and we can replace them immediately.

The Oath is legally enforceable and there are precedents where prosecution has happened for breaking it - time for those prosecutions to happen again.

Permalink Reply by Tara on August 5, 2012 at 12:23pm

Why must a healthy discussion/debate always morph into a pissing match? I didn't think this one post was going to cause so much of a shitstorm but obviously, I was wrong.

If you're going to vote come election time, that is your perogative and you have that freedom to do so. My choice still remains to vote No Confidence and I have the freedom to make that choice also. At the end of the day, those of us in the know are seeking the same means to an end. We're however choosing different paths to getting there.

What is disturbing to me after reading much of this thread is the hostility created over this issue. It reminds me of that quote, "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all." It's too bad that many don't get it.

Permalink Reply by Nathan on August 5, 2012 at 2:36pm

Why must a healthy discussion/debate always morph into a pissing match?

 

Ego?

Lack of critical thinking skills?

Inferiority complex?

;)

Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 5, 2012 at 10:07pm

Nope, more that I'm concerned with the idea of giving up.
Did you notice your objecting to the people being unpleasant by being insutling lol, more outstanding logic.

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