How is it the you can stand in judgement of all the Christians that ever lived ?

What is the source of your point? Can you prove what you say?

We live in a global pathocracy where practically everything is harnessed for the forces of evil destroying the humanity. How long will it take when our free will is completely wiped out?

Stupidity, to some is self evident - probably started from about 325ad, at the point of co-option!

The holy book, how it came to be and its versions

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/canon.html

A lot of ancient mythology and scriptures have been left out

I'm reading a lot of conjecture and here-say about the Formation of Scripture.

Has detractor here read more than a sentence or listened to more than a Catchphrase on the Subject ?

I have and I can represent it but as an Evangelical Christian I'm not a 'detractor' but a proponent.

The Art or perhaps even 'Science' of choosing Canonical Texts is very ancient and it's complicated.

Anything that's "Hard" and 'Complicated' is easily marginalized by the Lazy and who love to pretend and CLAIM Scholarship. The Formation of Cannon is Ancient. The Christian Bible is made up of 2/3 Jewish Bible/Scriptures that predate Christianity by 1500 years for the 'Written' and God knows how much longer for the Oral Tradition.

The Selection 'Worked' for the Jews and also for the Christians following. There HAS been debate but that's "In-house" debate among Christians or Christian Sects. That complicates things further but 'Complication' does not nullify Worth (i.e. E=MC2).

From memory, I believe that there are at least 100 to perhaps 1,000 predictions or Prophecies on Christ alone found in the Jewish Bible (the Christian O.T.). Read Isaiah 53 for example. It's only 12 sentences long. Here, you have the complete Christian Gospel of the Substitutionary Atoning Death of the Messiah along with His Resurrection.

Read it and I'll explain the ancient Hebrew "Idioms" to you.

Wow a 'Snap Quiz' from a Stranger who's request bears no reason 'Why' should I. I MUST oblige or look foolish to all my fans out in Cyberland! But first, I must finish watching this episode of Sponge Bob, get out of my jammies and clean my room or my mother won't take me to the Movies!

Belief, does not a truth make! If anything belief, is the lazy thinkers companion - truth requires searching, the path to knowledge - some people never leave home!

Ken, You are not obliged to answer my question and I have deleted it in order to not offend your faith. I'm not your enemy even though you seem to take my comments somehow offensive. As for your claim of me being a stranger, aren't we all here like a part of a 6000 member village. My postings are open for your examination, if you were interested, which probably you are not, and you don't have to be.

The enemies of you and me and the humanity are those behind the killing of millions and millions of human beings and corruption of the rest of what is good and beautiful on earth. I have nothing to do with that, in fact I oppose the abuse and killing of the people. You, I, and the rest of 12160 community are only victims of the system and hostility between us would only play in the pockets of the evil criminal cabal running the world at the moment. I hope you understand that people following different paths have different contribution to the rich collective growing experience.

Wouldn't it be contemptuous to assume that my experience is better than yours, or vice versa? We all have our place on this planet, time, space and eternity. I don't assume that the others here are ignorant nor do I accept such assessment of myself. If everybody had dedicated his life for studying the bible over and over again, a lot of knowledge would be wasted elsewhere and human race incapacitated. Why don't we just respect and love each others as humans and free souls?

It seems that for you, and correct me if I'm wrong, the solution for the current miserable state of mankind is to wait for the tribulation and the rupture, convert more souls to your beliefs, pray harder and believe harder.  That my friend, is what the criminal cabal would love us to do.  Why not do something concrete and oppose the criminal powers, now and here, and not let everything fall on the shoulders of the God? I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Who would Jesus bomb?

Well said Less Prone!! Bravo to you! How much scripture does it take to know the difference between right and wrong Bombing cilvilians is wrong...Mr Ken needs to do a bit of studying about the rothschilds so he can tell the freaking difference! http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?q=israel+supr...

Comment Forums are notorious for getting 'junk'. You call me defensive and you're right but then don't do the same. I don't know you and whatever dialogue we've might have had, I don't remember so you're a 'stranger' asking what seemed like a smart-ass question. If you would have phrased it even a bit differently I would have thought you serious and my response would have been different. As it stands now, let me apologize to you for my rudeness: "Sorry to have spoken that way to you. Please forgive me."

So you want my 'opinion' on that Question?

OK. I'll give you what I know.

That question about 'Baal' and how Israel views the matter? I don't really know. That's a very specific question on a very esoteric question. The way 'new' information seems to be rediscovered and spoken of makes me believe that I'm on a new learning curve and after these past few years, I'm just now getting caught up to where I should have been in 2006. About 'Baal', I only know it as a Name of a Mideastern supreme deity. New information (to me) seems to say it was connected to other ancient deities of other ancient major Cultures like Egypt and even Atlantis. However, although interesting, I feel that the 'matters at hand' namely the Coming US and Global Crisis and the Meat-grinder of humanity that it will be has my full attention.

Within the past few years I've gone to believe in these NEW and Bizarre things: 

1. Nibiru or whatever it is that's coming to literally turn our World upside-down.

2. The fact that it may be accompanied by the Return of the Nephilim and demonic beings possibly posing as 'Aliens'.

3. What this Satanic Government has Planned for me, my loved ones and others via a 'False Flag'.

4. A Nuclear War with the U.S. being ground Zero and then the World's biggest Graveyard.

5. How to Prepare physically as best as I can for myself and others without my wife calling the Mental Asylum on me. 

6. How to get the Sleeping Sheeple awakened which the Fear alone will drive them to reconsider Christ.

Yes, I believe that the Rapture is the only SURE way to survive. It's just the Question of 'How far or how long' will the Lord take before He comes to Harpozo us. The 'later or longer' He keeps us here will require us to have more and more elaborate preparations.

QUESTION:

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE US DO to 'oppose' these 'Criminal Powers'?

We can't get enough to awaken to these facts much less 'respond'. Without a 'Massive' response from American Citizens, any 'response' is doomed to failure.

If Nibiru IS coming, then even I can't blame Them for acting as if 'There's no Tomorrow'! I would have done it a different way and taken the Fear that's absolutely coming upon mankind and used it to Prepare. It's only when no preparations are made and people are taken off guard that the MUST Panic and go Crazy.

The Actions of the Government and the Vatican are two of my personal 'Proofs' that Something from Space IS coming.

However, this is a Lucerfarian Government and Agenda 21 and the Georgia Guide Stones call for massive 'Depopulation'' and along with 1/4 million (3to4 person) Plastic Coffins stacked and waiting cause ALARM in me.

The 'Bolder' this Government gets more 'closer' the 'Deadline' approaches and this Mexican/South American stunt makes me believe that They are stuffing the turkey as the Oven is just getting ready. That is, they are FILLING the US with what they call "Useless Eaters" so they can die here. Die from 'What'? Nuclear War, Fukushima, Nibiru and or a Pandemic. Yes, America has been chosen to be the New Garbage-Can for the Brave New World Order while South America will be protected from Fallout due to the physics of Global Hemispheres not intermingling.

Richard,

Nicely said about Truth and Belief. I agree completely.

However, what many call 'Truth' is simply based upon personal beliefs or a personal paradigm. It's a common as a bellybutton.

Other than that, I don't know what else you are saying? Sorry. Is this in response to something I said earlier?

Margaret,

I hate the Rothschild's as far as I can understand them and if I understand the clams correctly.

I feel that we are certainly on the same side here but perhaps I'm NOT up to the high level of information on the Workings of Israel as you are. You MAY be correct and I in error but as a Evangelical Christian, I do believe that God has directed to Pray for the Peace of Israel and hope for her best. However, like I said earlier, we are NOT to be complacent or compliant with any Wrongdoing or sinfulness of even Israel.

There's real 'Crazy' Hatred for the Jew among Muslims via their Holy book the Koran. I've read it carefully and it is frightening for it's directives of HOW to handle 'The People of the Book' (Jews) and unbelievers. Now, the Koran does state one peaceful verse towards Christians but I don't believe it has one for the Jews. None at all! It's the fact that the Palestinians are very much Muslim (not all but certainly the vast majority) and that means that 'Religiously', the Palestinians are to distrust and harm Jews. It's just a FACT that is verified with even unrelated actions of Muslims.

Islam is a Religion of hate and violence towards Unbelievers in general. If it weren't for the Law of "Dhimmi" Non-Muslims would simply be given the option of 'Convert or be beheaded'. (Under sharia law, dhimmi status was originally applied to Jews, Christians, and Sabians).

It is Islam that gives me great pause when considering 'Who' is the Aggressor when it comes to the Palestinians and the IsraelisYou do know the Story behind this don't you?

Look at what' in this Muslim's hand as well as his full assurance of WHAT he's just done is vindicated before Allah and the Islamic World.

One MUST factor this sort of Belief into the Israeli and Palestinian Conflict.

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Private jets, 13 mansions and a $100,000 mobile home just for the dogs: Televangelists 'defrauded tens of million of dollars from Christian network'

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/private-jets-13-mansions-and-a-100...

Lets not forget that religions are still still the biggest money maker in modern time.

There are many fundemntalist Christians who believe such and thus motivated for good . The Islamic fundamentalists come from a similar but more bloodthirsty source . Their hatred of Christians , Jew`s, Hindus ,Sikhs,and other Islamic groups are  part of a structured self rightous fanaticism that empowers fundamentalism.                                                                                                                                        Zionism needs the hearts and minds of whoever to progress their power controlling objectives.                      Its easy for them to infiltrate and manipulate others by brainwashing techniques such as John Hagge & Co.  The Religon of the sword that refer to Islam, easily could   apply to fundamentalist Jews,Christians etc. They all  come from the same source which is emphasised by their rheotric sermons, misrepresenting  GODS WORD . Love is from God, whereas its opposite, hatred,a human "Modus operandi "

JoeGloch,

You're way off by comparing Fundamentalist Christians with anything from Fundamentalist Islam. It's simply "A Bridge too far" to make that statement. I've read the Koran and I'm a Fundamentalist Christian myself. However, 'Fundamentalism' is really semantics being that the Colloquial Term is so P.C. slanted. Any real Christian (as in the kind that would have died in the Roman Colosseum by wild animals or being covered in pitch and made into torches or today would have their throats Cut for not renouncing Christ) follows the 'Golden Rule' as stated by our Lord Jesus Christ. No such 'Rule' exists in the Koran and the only real "Neighbor" recognize in it is another devout Muslim will unbelievers are considered worthy of death. No my friend, Islam is like the photo Negative of the Color Picture of Christianity.

It's only easy PC propaganda to run to the few really 'wacky' people who profess Christianity and use them as average Examples of Christians and label them as 'Fundamentalists'.

Do you know that 1800 children became orphans in this ongoing war on #Gaza?

Actions speak much louder than all these words about religion Ken

You believe this so then go ahead and believe it all. However, your Blame on Christians has a very weak basis even though it has 'Some' basis. With heads rolling from Islam you chose to concentrate on Christianities flaws. You swallow a camel and strain at at gnat. So go and have at it all if that helps you.

Tell me Ken...how many Israeli lives have been lost and people injured  since the first part of July and and how many Palestianans ? Tell me Ken...Im not talking scriptures Im asking for numbers..Do you have any idea? I would like to compare my number to yours...You did learn math in school didn't you?

You lost me Margaret! What the heck are you talking about? What's you beef with me if you have one? It sounds like I don't 'Get it' and guess what: I don't!

Since this seems to be getting personal with you and I, let me give you my understanding of this "Discussion" or whatever it is:

First: How many innocent babies in the Womb have been MURDERED since 1973? 60 MILLION! (Not as 'off topic' as you'd like to let on).

Margaret, you have a hatred for Christianity and Christians. You are obsessed with defending the Palestinians and condemning both Christians and Christianity. You are placing your mania in the wrong place. Am I a "Jew" who lives in Israel or are my fellow American Christians? No! Do we love the 'Idea' of Jews being back in their Homeland? As Evangelical Christians: Yes! Do we want ANYONE hurt or treated unjustly. Heck NO! Do we go to Israel and yell at, hit, punch, spit upon, shoot or otherwise do harm to Palestinians? NO!

So why don't you hit the streets, find some people or Palestinians or whomever you consider needing to be treated more 'justly' and do good deeds for them and get off my and other innocent Christians backs? You have been brainwashed with anti-Christian bias! You are a bigot of sorts who believes like all bigots that they have the moral high-ground. You don't. You're just an obsessed NUT who persecutes others whom you've been told are bad or hurting others but it's really only LIES that you prefer to believe.

A Question"

We in America at this very moment have been sending our Military over to the Middle East since 9-11-2001 and have been KILLING "Innocents" (for the most part). YOU Ms. Margaret are much more GUILTY of supporting MURDER as an American Citizen (I as well, we ALL are) than Christians that love the Jew and simply hope for their best. So let me share this 'GUILT' with YOU! At least I'm pissed off about all the Murder America has been committing since 911, and I vote and speak against such. Do you (other than the Palestinians)?

Get off your "High-horse" you murderer and come down here with the rest of us Guilty Americans and get your priorities right for a change.

I told you before genocide is wrong...Im not the one with the attitude... I asked you for numbers not another long comment...Your answer tells me you have no idea what is going on...http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/23/376352/israel-bombs-gaza-12...

The Israel that the Christians support no longer exsits. It is buried in times of the ages.The Israel that exsits today is in name only and is an aparthid dictatorship system in which God is only ceremonial just like many of the Christians & churches.  They believe more in Israel than they do in Jesus in fact many of them are now saying that Jesus is God and not the Son of God. They have truely lost it becauseif they believe that then the whole mission  and prophecies of Christ was a lie.

During the early middle ages, the crusades - there was an Imaginary Kingdom! The Kingdom of Prestor John ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John) - false hope and manipulation of the masses, with the aid of active ignorance! The establishment of the Catholic church - ensured the power stayed in Rome - the consequent influence on the hearts and minds are self evident! Xristianity and Iudeadism are a lot different today - today, it's okay to kill for your god, albeit being the same god as those you kill! Which leads me further to recognize the hypocrisy, the exploitation - the deception, the insanity.

That Israel no longer exists? Then it's like America then, only we kill more people? Right...?

I'm not defending the Government but the Jewish People IN Israel.

Margaret, it's not really the numbers but let's say "Millions" if you wish. It's the Idea, Philosophy and Spirit behind evil that is the Root of the 'numbers'. You don't like 'long comments', well that's because you don't want to think, only defend one and condemn another. Good for you!

There WAS a time that I would have probably supported Israel as Hagee does now. However, since learning of Zionism, the Illuminati and how the World really runs, I've limited myself to just supporting the Jewish People collectively within Israel and the Idea that the Land of Israel does belong to the Jews (warts and all). Hagee is a 'Preacher' and not a gifted Theologian. That goes for others like even Billy Graham. They need to stick with what they are given to understand be keep distant (if possible) from things too "Political" because "Politics" in general is simply too full of intrigue and evil.

Now boys and girls, most of you that have 'chimed-in' really have a "Problem" with Christianity that is tainting your comments and perspective. I agree with the FACT that even "Christianity" is near ruin and has been since the very early days, but there IS a "Baby in the Bathwater". That is, there is an Absolutely Necessary precious 'TRUTH' of Christ in there that should make one stop at completely rejecting it but instead to Clean it up, Get it right and spread it (in that order). That's my goal personally. I don't like arguing with you folks because you DO have many good reasons to HATE the Religion called Christianity but like I said, I've spent over 30 years trying to understand the difference between "Religion(s)" and Real Christianity. One I 'hate' myself and the other I love for the sake of 'Truth' and Salvation.

Now Margaret, I've gotten upset with you and I've spoken rather harshly. I apologize. That's not what I want to have happen. I can lose an "Argument" or Discussion and still 'live' but I 'go on' often because 'Truth' is Salvation. It's 'Critical' to have and therefore it deserves to be represented. Now there are 'truths' and there is the Fountainhead of Truths called The "TRUTH". Many of you DO speak 'truths' but 'The' Truth is the one I'm aiming to represent and it's the hardest to discover personally.

Many of you are saying 'true' things that I agree or even feel the same way about and you hold them up as defenses against what you 'THINK' I'm saying. But few if any here really know from Where I'm coming from and as far as I can see, I may be the ONLY professing Christian on this Thread. Let's work together and 'learn' from one another instead of peg-holing each-other to where we really don't hear what's being 'said'.

Apology accepted.. I am not trying to argue with you and I refuse to...I have backed up most everything I have said...

MEMO TO ALL THE CHRISTIANS OUT THERE!<br />
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"Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us?" (Matthew 13.54-56).<br />
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Jesus was part of an extended family. The Bible says he had brothers and sisters. Some churches try to spin that these were only cousins, or Joseph's from a previous marriage, but Mary, Jesus' mother, was probably not an only child. At the very least, Jesus had cousins, Aunts, and Uncles.<br />
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For the purpose of this discussion, we do not need to go into the question of whether Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had a family.<br />
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But the fact is that Jesus had kinfolk; blood relations on his mother's side.<br />
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Those kinfolk had children. Those children had children. Those children had children. And so forth.<br />
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Modern genetics testing of Y-chromosomes has demonstrated that at least 50% of all Palestinian males have a direct genetic trail back to the biblical Israelites.<br />
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So here is the deal. Some of the people walking around Palestine, Gaza, and the West Bank are blood relatives of Jesus. Distant blood relatives, but still blood relatives. Given 200 years, it is possible that the vast majority of present day Palestinians are remote relatives of Jesus.<br />
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Israel is killing them.<br />
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And YOU are paying for it, which means you share the guilt. YOU are paying for the weapons used to kill the modern day family of Jesus.<br />
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Think you are going to get into heaven after an insult like that?<br />
<a href="http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html">www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html</a>;( I did not ask that last question just want to make that clear)</p>

By supporting the Israeli siege of Gaza, one is arguably breaking the commandment - thou shall not kill. You are either with us, or against us! Who would Jesus bomb, would he bomb, why wouldn't he?

If siblings fight outside their family they are fighting an enemy, if they are fighting eachother,then it's a family squabble.

And that's our nature . "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9)

Jeremiah 17:9 is one of my favorite Scriptures. It's the lies we tell ourselves that get us in trouble. A smart person learns to continually know himself in order to grow.

Belief excludes truth, and truth betrays belief - they are in opposition. Any 'truth, attached to a lie - therefore is essentially non sequitur!

Exactly Richard....Kids believing in Santa Clause is fun when they are little but eventually they realize there is no Santa Clause, or monsters under the bed, or Easter Bunny that lays eggs...The ten Commandments were put in stone to live by..Supporting the terrorist state of Rothschilds cover nation Israel in Palestine is supporting the murder of children and that is not a belief, that is fact like it or not it is truth.No matter how many words Ken or anyone else uses doesn't change that fact..American taxpayer money goes to Israels military so Americans are paying for this genocide and only Americans can stop it by having guts enough to stand up against the slaughter by boycotting Israel products and throwing AIPAC out of America and all of our politicians supporting Israel which is 99% if not 100% of them. Voting will not fix this mess as Israel controls the electronic voting machines...Somethings are just more important than dumping ice water on oneself watching tv, playing games or whatever all these disctracted Americans do that expect God to fix all of our problems..It's not like we haven't been warned and the warnings are were told to us along time ago.. click  HERE and study their warnings.This country and the planet are doomed if Americans don't wake up.The owners of the unFederal Federal Reserve really have them fooled with their divide and conquer tactics.

Richard,

I like philosophy and enjoy it a great deal. You're statement of 'Truth' is a philosophical one. With Philosophy I've found that semantics is important. So when I say this disagreement with you, I may have misunderstanding this one point of yours:

However,

"Belief excludes truth, and truth betrays belief - they are in opposition."

"Truth" stands alone, immutable and eternal. If one 'Believes' in what is True then that Belief is valid and NOT in opposition to Truth but simply an separate attachment to it.

Truth betrays a Lie would be more accurate. If 'Belief' is the Truth than that Belief cannot be in opposition to the Truth.

Belief cannot be truth, only truth is truth, it replaces belief - you talk of faith, in a lie, one cannot prove either way! Truths don't require belief, but i will agree that a truth can be corrupted, and people still believe it - is it it still then a truth? - nope! Goodness is an act, as is evil - but there's not much evidence of good!

You equate "Belief" with 'fairy-tales and lies'. You believe in Gravity don't you? You believe that you'll get a paycheck from your place of employment or that if you pay for that tool, you'll be allowed to walk out of Home Depot?

That's part of what I was trying to say. If you ran that sloppy bit of homespun philosophy past any other thinking person you'd get laughed at. I'm sorry to have to finally put it so plainly and bluntly.

Here are your rose colored glasses Ken..Bye.

No I don't believe in gravity - it exists, it is fact - it may not be understood - but if you fall out of a tall building you will die. I don't believe that my employer will pay me , I know he will, or I will kick some ass - and Homedespot - nah, I don't believe in them! Try harder Ken with your homespun stuff - in fact, trying going empirical!

Using religion as a means to justify mass murder, is not what religion is all about - those that adhere to such are barely human - it is as simple as that - to be blunt.

Belief - I equate with ignorance and the lazy mind. Observationally that manifests itself in the likes of fairy tales, exploitations, servitude, childishness, immaturity,  ritualized  behavior, mental stagnation, willful sacrifice, denial, betrayal - etc.... when people stopping thinking for themselves, relinquishing the self, to another - all manner of s**t happens!

Belief, is the magnet that sits next to one's moral compass!

"Belief, is the magnet that sits next to one's moral compass!" Nice analogy. I really that that one. Richard, we are probably not going to 'win' or 'convince' the other of certain things but I do believe we have most of our views in common. Like "using religion as a means to justify mass murder". I could I NOT FULLY AGREE WITH YOU. Or " People should always 'Think For Themselves'. Hey, that's what we're doing here so of course I FULL AGREE. RELIGION is almost always used as a "Control-devise" and that's BS. It's also used to defraud and to take advantage of the Simpleminded and that's more BS. I dislike or perhaps HATE "Religion". That is the Man-made "Institution of Religion". It's not of God. I'm sure we AGREE there as well.

I personally take the Idea or Topic of "TRUTH" separately. I keep it as far away from 'Religion' as possible. I think that's part of our Communications proble. ("What we have here is a Failure to Communicate!" Via "Cool Hand Luke".  Ha! ).

Religion is now so corrupt that it's hopeless. However, there IS the separate matter of 'Truth' that I'm most interested in. We agree that 'Religion' SUCKS. OK. But how about Truth as something that has little to do with Religion except that Religious Leaders all 'claim' Truth as their private possession? 

Richard and Margaret, we have bigger fish to fry. We've lost our America and Martial Law and DEATH are coming fast down the road towards us and our loved ones. I have the 'Real Zionists Illuminati', false Christians, Killer Religions, and what America has become. We are "IN FOR IT!"

The ONLY reason I debate here on this thread is in hopes of having people hear a 'different' voice from a Christian perspective. I try to provide that but semantics and UNDERSTANDABLE 'Pent-up Anger' gets in the way to a non-circular dialogue and we really end up 'Venting' and not sharing 'new thoughts and perspectives'. Blessing to both of you, for I share your Pain and have a maxed-out, full Quota of WORRY and Apprehension myself along with you. 

Let me clarify a 'Typo':

I typed:

"I have the 'Real Zionists Illuminati', false Christians, Killer Religions, and what America has become."

I meant to say:

" I HATE the 'Real Zionists Illuminati", false Christians, Killer Religions and what America has become".

Margaret, I love Philosophy and Theology. They go hand in hand. So 'Wearing Rose-colored Glasses' is the opposite of where I want to be.

So Margaret, please tell me 'WHERE' I go wrong or what I'm not 'getting'. Really and again 'Please'.

It's all rhetoric - I try to speak to the notion, not the person - I try! Even atheists are spiritual, religion is fine as long as it's not organized by forces of a deceitful nature(which is typical) - and remains personal, churches are not a good thing, community halls would be more appropriate - keep the money with the people, no tithing! But there must be the willful exchange of ideas, guest preachers, intellectualism, education at a grass root - not indoctrination'al education but factual. 'God is best described as that which was there at the very beginning' - is presently unfathomable, and the manifestation of all truth - certainly not some judgmental tyrant, that inspires charlatans to exploit the ignorant, in 'it's' name! Hagee is a charlatan, and in possession of a very tiny but dangerous mind. - therefore he's also an exploitable tool, found in a chest of horrors!

Well, I understand and agree with at least 80% of what you've just said Richard. The 'Concept' of God or Creator as being "judgmental" is a difficult one to grasp and perhaps harder even to agree with. To address that Question or Topic you'd have to consider a whole bunch of different Factors such as:

1. 'Why' our Creator  gave us 'Reason' and the ability to Communicate so well? That is, do these abilities mean that we can be held 'responsible' for our Actions? If so, then "Held Responsible" is what way? Is being "Held Responsible" necessary or 'Fair'? I mean it goes on and on for a while. 

2. HAS our Creator REALLY given us any "INSTRUCTIONS" and IF so, what are They and are They Verifiability from Him?

3. Richard, you're on the right track but not very far down it (just my opinion and 'who' am I anyway).

4. There ARE many things of God that we will probably NEVER understand and that's taught in Christianity.

5. One thing is for SURE: "We will all be dead in 100 years!" Therefore, I personally see that as a Mandate to figure this 'God-thing' out now in this Life. Even if it's 'hard' to do such.

Peace.

Yes, Ken,I can agree with that " People should always think For themselves'.andthat religion is almost always used as a "Control-devise". The Catholic and Protestants ,and Baptists,etc have for years controlled the purse strings of the congregations through the women.

Ultimately we are unable to comprehend that which is god - and 'It's' certainly not judgmental, that is a human  imposition, as is the 'carrot on the stick', of heaven, and it's opposite hell, are - constructs only to manipulate! It is simply in our best interest to get along, to be social - the golden rule is probably an antediluvian model( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule ) - now best expressed as an Eye for an Eye!

The current frame of mind of many religious types, is a distortion of the priori - the likes of :- love your neighbor, love your enemy, take what you need...etc.... now it's kill the indigenous people, and steal their resources because they're different!

Religion, has become a social tool of manipulation - the individual, without religious bias, and a developed conscience (an inner dialogue of self honesty), that individual is more likely to act via sympathy, than aggression - current evangels' incite, thats why they are there. Nationalism does the same!

The path to peace comes from within the self, not the pastor, nor politician/sellout- I say this, being brought up C of E., in the UK.. We were instructed that the church didn't want blind faithers, they wanted the searcher, where ever they were led to. In other words doubt, argue, fathom with yourself - be critical, as not much is absolute - develop the self. The result was, that you can't lie to yourself - above all you cannot lie to yourself.

Those that do, often exhibit it with anger, and force in their general demeanor, it is the way - force, is a will that exercises opinion! A failure to recognize an evil action - a developed mind with a conscience sees the negative, quite easily - failure to, however illustrates a mis-perception, a conscience bias (dishonesty). To transcend this, requires the loop be broke - that is an intellectual endeavor, that not many can achieve - stupidity is the result( a self dis-railing repeatable action), so here we are with the powers that be, orchestrating the stupid.

People don't have the True picture of how our world works - they 'believe' they do - through the media and other portals of instruction - basically a 'how, what, when, and a fist dust of steaming 'why's', get released into the front rooms, bars, restaurants, etc... of the recipient public. Thinking in a machismodial way, most men pretend they know about politics and the world situation - when it is spoken about, it comes out mysteriously as sports stats. The self deception - the Pinochio People! The battle is really one of hearts and mindless, ours and yours!  Be good, and speak to People!

"Come look over here!" he yelled, knowing the view was better where he stood, than down below.

The first casualty in war is TRUTH and no matter who starts it or rightly defends ,doesnt jusyify War. There may be no choice, but it doesnt make War right. Israel has America in a position where there seems no way out The Masonic British Govt`s in 1880, + were major architects organisers and financiers to  Zionism`s creation is commonly believed in Europe. Palestine was Britain`s  concern regarding the threat from Turkish ambitions. Theres much more important  history which needs to be understood concerning present Israeli /Palestinian conflicts .

The Israeli attrocities against Palestinians cannot be justified. Their  claim  of being God`s chosen people entititled to that land now means nothing. God would not have wanted their defence secured by murdering innocent Civilians.

However theres a major threat against us all from Islamic frenzied fanatics.

Israel cannot be left alone facing these Neandrethal blood thirsty Phychos.

As Britain got out by handing responsibility over to the league of Nations ,America hasnt that choice at present.

These mad mullah`s, Zionists ,and Christian Pastors like Haggi are just part of the problem 

The UK was long since co-opted by the 'forces' that be, at least decidedly by the mid 1700's(civil war/cromwell) - some would say earlier, from the Norman invasion(1066). France too - the depths of corruption, the dark crystal's (if you will) activity, is beyond recent perceptions by the bulk of current generations - the assault predates Zionism. In other words, for zionism to be a force, it had to have had prior planning - it had to be a consequence of not a simple whim but of a concerted effort, by a well positioned, and established union of likeminded persons of a common ideology - one that was put into place in essence, from Roman times, and refined through the ages.

The catholic church was the co-option of the peoples religion by the state - we get modern banking out of Italy( think trade in the med)!!!!! One has to remember also that ones perception of history is marred by the consequence of nation building, France Italy, UK Germany are all relative recent incarnations of the regions they are now - it was much easier to move around, even though passports and travel documents are 1000's of years old( Nehemiah 2:7-9), if you had money ...... and bankers always had money, they could go anywhere they chose!

The root of zionism is vested in money, the root of persuasion. So once you have the money controlled, co-option of everything else is only a matter of daring and propaganda - If you look back at who was financing the crusades, and why - then one should also consider why christianity arose, why Islam arose - what formed them, what created the environment for their ascension? The fight has been long, usually fought by those who don't really wonder why, and those that do - either sellout, shut up, or die - Smedley Butler, Ramsay Maure etc... History is bunk, written by paid for, dis-informationalists!

Religions all have their Shaman, priest, nuns... whatever you want to call them - Shaman! Every village has one, still - spouting the words of some Lord - putting bad ideas into heads, for purposes of a nefarious nature. Religion is a tool of social manipulation - if you doubt me, then you will rot in hell!:-) But its not the people of the west, that the Islamists hate, it the force behind the government they hate - after all they have been messed with for millennia - by the same forces each time, just a different hat!

Israel is Rothschilds cover nation..Covering crimes of the Rothschilds in Holy ground around the world. F***Israel and the Rothschilds!!!

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