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Comment by Jeff on April 4, 2010 at 4:17am

Their assessments of objectives are accurate.

The concept that the objective is to END WARS is outdated. WE are fighting PERPETUAL war, where don't you understand that. These wars were designed not to end but to foment continued instability which prevents the loser from being effective at ANYTHING.

Comment by Jeff on April 4, 2010 at 4:00am

Geofftop employed something called 'critical thinking' and he's right.

Comment by Jeff on April 4, 2010 at 3:54am

And the Constitution is equivalent to a sieve, with holes in it at every juncture so the laws being passed barrel right through it. It has no teeth and that's a purposeful actuality since it was very likely developed and designed by Rothschild appointees as Gary's essay points out. It's not worthless, it's worse, it ALLOWS for all of the laws being passed.

Comment by Jeff on April 4, 2010 at 3:50am

Gimme a break Gary, look at the troop counts. The US IS NATO. Most countries contribute less then a 1000 troops and a very few contribute more. Go check the breakdown of NATO troops in Afghanistan. And it is relevant. We can't continue imperial aggression with out NATO troops and NATO is the army of the NWO.

And ALL of the objectives in Iraq were met and ALL of the objectives in Afghanistan are being met. You just don't understand the objectives and I outlined them clearly below and they've all been met. I'm not sure what you don't understand. You're using YOUR objectives, very standard objectives to describe what winning a war means and you need to use the CIA/Mossad objectives outlined clearly in documents and that's what I did. First, eliminate the only army capable of threatening Israel, second, resources acquisition, done, third, establish a central bank, done, next, devastate infrastructure, done, last, establish forward operating bases, done in a massive way with the largest base after Haiti on the planet. We won, based on objectives, brilliantly.

And you're not factoring in the desperate, really desperate need for NATO troops, the same desperate need for American taxes and American commerce. NOTHING is going to happen anytime soon.

Stop using your own perception of facts and use the real facts written about by the CIA and the think tanks that promoted this war.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 8:13pm

I also disagree with your perception of winning because that's the media perception when in fact we did win.

The initial objective, to remove the only standing army that could threaten Israel was accomplished immediately. Next, resource acquisition for international corporations, done. Next, install a central bank, done. Next, eliminate the Iraqi elite (educated), and with 500 PhD's targeted and murdered that too is done. Next, devastate the infrastructure so no opposition can grow in the near future to the central bank or the privatization of resources, done. Next, build permanent bases that can be minimally manned for future imperial war, done. We won magnificently, overwhelmingly and that's a fact. Minor internal struggles are insignificant. Facts.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 8:04pm

I am an ardent disbeliever in that theory Gary. If you're right I'll apologize but that works both ways. I believe that theory is based on speculation and intuition but not fact. The US is controlled from the top to the bottom. We populate NATO meaning we are NATO and they get their soldiers from American homes, we pay vast taxes that fund all sorts of enterprises across the globe and they're not about to jeopardize either of those things. Our people are dying a slow death from environmental poisons and food additives, we pay for health care from birth to death and the vast majority of Americans have televisions that play close to 24/7 and you might think people are waking up but I'll tell you, I talk to them all day and their national and world views are sufficiently distorted that they can't make an accurate decision if their lives depended upon it, and they do. No ones going to rock this boat, it's the Golden Goose.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 4:07pm

I'll stand by the 20 or 30 year figure. Americans aren't unhappy enough yet to even demonstrate in the streets let alone fight the government in any type of war. On this you're mistaken I believe. In Europe, Iceland, Greece, France and other countries they're in the streets. Here they watch TV.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 4:04pm

I'm here to stay too, I'm just tired of posting material so I won't be doing that here.

Gary, we'll all be here to see what develops. As for the "Postal Service," they did a fine job of ridding Iraq of a million people in a country much more conducive to fighting a war the style you're discussing and as for Vietnam they also killed many millions, something like what, 3.8 million?

Time will tell.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 3:03pm

By the way, I only belong to those other web sites to gauge American public opinion. I speak my mind and am tolerated but you know my beliefs. Unfortunately I'm barely tolerated here too, by the members. I'm probably too radical for most here since I don't believe in a Constitution or any federal government at all whereas most of the members here support a Constitution, generally the one we have, and a federal government and I support neither. I just don't want to start a shooting war with people with obviously bigger and badder weapons. I'm an Anarchist but I'm not crazy.

Comment by Jeff on April 3, 2010 at 2:56pm

I don't think my Pacifist views have much to do with it. I'm looking at it practically as a technician, and I'm using facts with which to base my opinions.

This isn't Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam, almost every square inch of the US is developed. That which isn't developed is easily cordoned off by a small army, surrounded, squeezed and controlled. Your proposition works but it doesn't work in a first world developed country like America.

Nor do I think it will unfold like that. In 20, 30 maybe 50 years it might, I've stated that before.

For the next 20 years or so I believe we'll see many small militia groups rounded up much the same as the Hutaree, painted as radical, racist, anti-government warriors and the facts are clear what occurs under those conditions. The majority of Americans support the government.

If you disagree I would refer you to Ruby Ridge, Waco and Koresh and a third recent event I can't remember at the moment. We also have a great number of tax evaders in federal prisons.

No, I don't see anything relevant happening in the next 20 years or so, except maybe hundreds of small groups of patriots of varying persuasions getting painted with a government collar that distorts reality enough to garner public support for their arrest, conviction and imprisonment and once the Hutaree are jailed and we have another 100 behind them the support will wain even more.

I believe it's going to get A LOT worse before anything happens and then it'll be generations before it gets better, if it does.

I belong to a number of Republican web sites, a Tea Party group, and a number of very mainstream America web sites and I engage people in dialogue every day. Most Americans are clueless regarding the stuff we're discussing here and most Americans will support their government, on almost everything, which history verifies.

You, me, the people here, we are a very, very small minority. Very small.

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