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Rod Class Transcript: Info from 81st Congress - the National Lawyers Guild is a Communist Party along with the Bar Association

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Preliminary doc transcript for the call on 12h Dec 2009. Thanks Dena for the transcript. Volunteers wanted!

Audio is here.  Other calls: Talkshoe1 Talkshoe2

December 12, 2009 Rod Class- 

H: We have a copy of the LOMAR and I will send it to you as text so that you can do things to it. I want to thank John as he took the pdf and made it into a regular doc.

..? Is it going to be available to the group.

H: The whole thing is a summarization of Rod’ stuff, and Rod needs to look at it and have it be in a form that he can either correct or add to. But, yes, we can make it available and I will try and get posted on rayservers.com as a document that people can then manipulate.

R: When I first did this, I had someone working with me to help me do it out. Nobody in this country has ever done this. This is technically the first for us to come out and do this, when we did in 2007. The one we had in 2002, we turned it back in to Judiciary Committee in 2007, on the House and Senate side. The one we did in 2008, Marie and I did it while we were in DC. If you even go through laws and go through their paperwork, you have typos all through their paperwork too.

With what we are doing, when we first started this, it was basically a bet that it could not be done. I did it.

The second one was the fact that we actually went into the Judiciary Committee on the House and Senate side and talked with them. We explained the crux of the matter, we laid it out for them. We handed them the documentation, back in 2007. They sat on it and really did not do anything. Then they came out with House Rule 660 where they went back in and tried to give themselves immunity for what they are doing.

What we are dealing with here is that we have the lawyers that are in control of so much of this stuff. It is like I am bringing out in the paperwork what I brought out last night on AIB radio. If you really, truly, get into the Constitution, under Article 1, Section 6, it talks about the House of Representatives, the Congressmen. They are immune from the rest except if they commit a felony, if they are taking bribes, or an act of treason. The moment they get paid off by a lobbyist, that is a bribe, a felony – that’s an act of treason because now they are working against the people.

If you get into Article 2, Section 4, it talks about the President, Vice-President, and civil officers. They cannot commit crimes and it lists them. In Article 3, Section 1, it talks about these judges being on good behavior. If you start looking at all of this, and these judges are claiming immunity --- no, you do not have immunity because Title 18, under Civil Rights Violation, Obstruction of Justice, there are penalties for these people when they do that. In Title 42, is the section on how we will go back and bust them on it.

Where they are getting their immunity, where they are abusing it, is whenever the Bar Association created the Administrative Procedure Act, 1946, under Senate Bill 7, 60 stat. 237. What this was originally designed for, and we talked about this several months ago when we got into the Administrative Procedures stuff, when they created the Administrative Procedures Act, it had one function, supposedly. That function was to be able to address administrative abuse, whether it was with Child Services, Dept. of Motor Vehicles, IRS, Dept of Justice, FBI – it did not make a bit of difference. It was an administrative setup that the people were supposed to be able to go in, pull an administrative hearing, talk to the arbitrator who was the Administrative Judge, lay out the evidence of the corruption and wrongdoing. The other side was supposed to come as the defendant, never as the plaintiff. You would put forth your evidence, show where the errors are, show where the abuse is, and then the Administrative Judge was to say: “Okay, you are right; you are showing the evidence; you are showing the proof of the abuse. On our side, we now have to change our policy because we are showing errors and abuse on our side”. This is where the Administrative Judge was supposed to have the immunity that he could go to Child Services, IRS, the DOJ, FBI –whatever department was involved—and say that the people proved their case. Here are the laws, the statutes, supreme court case rulings. You have to change your policy. This judge was supposed to be absolutely immune from any type of persecution or retaliation from the agencies. This is where they had their absolute, total immunity. It was from them, it was never supposed to be applied to our side the way they are doing it.

This goes right back into misuse and abuse of when they created this. It is like a lot of things. They created things, knowing that they were able to go back in and misuse it and that the people would never know the difference. The people would never figure it out. They would drop hints and the people would never be able to pick up the hints that were dropped. Through the years of things that have been done, and that we have worked on, and that people have gathered information on and shared, this is how we are starting to piece all of this together. We are starting to work together and share what we have.

By being able to get into the Congressional Records, which someone had and they gave to us, and going into the Library of Congress and verifying them, we now know that this is where their immunity comes from. It came from them being able to help us do their job to where their side could not come back in and say: you’re not supposed to do this for them, we are supposed to them. No, the obligation of the Administrative Judge was to correct the administration, and they are not doing that. As we are finding out, they are all corrupt. It has come to the place where they are going to do whatever it takes to cover their own.

The reality of it is, this first case that we did in Superior Court, we actually beat the United States. The Judge cannot answer the paperwork, even though he stepped off the bench and played council for these people. The reality of it is, we beat them. The judge cannot come back in and answer the reconsideration, because we showed him exactly where the flaws were. We got the procedure book out and we showed him step for step exactly where he made his flaws. The reality is, we beat them. Whether or not they are going to give it to us, is another answer. That is part of the problem.

Everything that we have done, we have taken everything step for step. We have gone through the procedures. We have walked them through their Congressional Records. We have walked them through all the procedures they have done, all of their Executive Orders, rules, regulations. We showed them where they made their mistakes, how they made their mistakes. Now they have a problem, because now we have exposed it. We were not supposed to be able to expose this the way we exposed it. This was something they never anticipated that we would ever do to them. But we did. We got in. We laid it into them. The Judge tried to cover it up. We went back and proved that he was in error. It is like the case we are dealing with right now -- the Buess case. We are coming back in and showing them, again, the fraud that they are committing on the people. They do not know how to come back and handle it. They do not know how to answer the paperwork.

H: Rod, if they do not know how to answer the paperwork, what is going to happen?

R: What we are doing is coming back in and showing the fraud by addressing this to Homeland Security, the Committee on Homeland Security, the United States Coastguard (which is the head of the Homeland Security, which is the Military side) getting this out the Provost Marshals and to the CID, trying to notify them.

H: Do you think they will do anything once they are notified?

R: I do not know. We do not know unless we try, unless we put the information out. In the Letters of Marque and Reprisal (LOMAR) and the Private Attorney General document that were all signed by Congress. This is where we have this in our favor. It actually shows that we have tried to go through the system and follow procedure. We actually reported the crimes, the abuse, to the representatives and the Judiciary Committee is the one, if you understand the history, that pulls the investigation. They are the ones that come and do the impeachment. It is not the Homeland Security committee, it is not the Ways and Means or Agriculture …it is the Judiciary Committee. They are the ones that actually hold the investigations that deal with public officials. That is why we went to them. That is their job description.

H: Rod, it is like when you and I were in the Military we had to go through the chain of command.

R: Right, and that is exactly what we did. We are showing that we are trying to go through the proper channels. We are trying to get them to fix the problem. We are bringing it to their attention. When we were there in 2007, we handed them a stack of paperwork about 1 foot thick of impeachments against federal judges and other judges for abuse and misuse of their office. We are showing where the crimes are, and how they committed them. They have not addressed it. Not on our side.

With what we are doing, we have two choices. Either we can fold up shop and go home and just get on with our lives, or we can do what we are doing here on Friday and Saturday nights, bringing information forward, trying to bring the education up, keep filing some type of paperwork, letting them know that we are still alive and kicking, that we still have a problem and are trying to address it. If someone has a better way of doing it, or actually is sitting on the answer, and will come on board, I will be more than glad to turn things over.

…? Rod, have you ever thought of a tort claim?

R: No. We went through the Claims Court. Four of us did. We got our cases kicked back. We went through every single court. We even went through the United States Administrative Office for the United States Court, where we had to go in and ask permission from them to sue the United States. They came back with a document that said they did not see anything wrong with what is going on-- when we had put down all the issues of all of the corruption. We went through the Federal Court of Claims. We ran a tort claim. We had our paperwork kicked back out. Rodger Tanner got sent back to the Federal Court in Ohio because they did not want to address it.

The only court that was left that we did not know about was the Superior Court (DC??) and that is why we tried it.

…..? I am going to send an e-mail for a website. Believe it or not, there is progress being made with the King and Queen of Hawaii. There is an apology bill, signed by Bill Clinton, on www.freehawaii.org . I will send you what they are doing. They have put together a $300 trillion UCC tort claim.

R: As I said, with everything that we are doing, through all the proper channels. At this point in time, by going after (obtaining ??) the Private Attorney General (document), taking it before Congress, going into the Library of Congress and pulling the history on it, pulling the documentation that verifies it, we have done everything humanly possible, up to this point, on our side to try to fix the problem. We are still growing. There is still new information that keeps coming up with what we are doing, as people start to come of the woodwork. They are listening to different segments and they are sending different things that we may not have.

What we have done since 2007, we actually have come a long, long way in exposing so much of what has taken them 600 years to do. We have unraveled quite a bit in the last two years, more than they ever thought we would unravel.

It still comes down to the people. It comes down to us. What do we want to do with the problem? Do we want to throw our hands up into the air, go bury our heads in the sand like an ostrich, or do we want to try through peaceful means to fix this problem. We put in the documentation that shows that we have tried everything, even going into Congress and getting the approval of Congress – not once, not twice, but three different times, on a LOMAR. As I said, I do not know of anyone other than myself in this country who has done this. A lot of people want to talk, but I actually did it. I have my signatures on the documents – and I have the stamps.

This shows the seriousness of what we are trying to do. We are actually trying to fix the problem.