Our chance to ask Chief Constable, "Declare your memberships of the Freemason's"

     Here for the very first time people will be given the opportunity that ought to be seized on, when the Kent Police Chief Constable Ian Learmonth will be answering questions and responding to comments in an hour-long session, beginning at 7pm on Monday the 13th February 2012.  Hosted by the Chief Constable, it’s hoping to give local people the chance to have their questions answered directly, and from the comfort of their home!!

Chief Constable's live web chat

Monday 13 February 2012, 7pm

Chief Constable Ian Learmonth

So don’t panic! As you don’t even have to get off your ass! The Chief Constable said: 'I'm really keen to talk directly with the county's residents and hope this web chat makes it easy for people to make observations and ask me questions about policing in Kent. - 'We continue to explore different ways of working with the people of Kent and this is a good way for the public to get involved without even having to leave their home.'

     Now there’s the bummer, as you can see this is dealing with the Kent district, of England. Though this can act twofold, even though there are some of us who can’t really qualify for being able to have a face to face over the internet, and you can bet your bottom dollar, their questions will primed and selected, - so maybe it would be best to submit a question, that isn’t really to do with asking the Chief Constable; ‘...that does he think it’s about time he and the other members of his force, should have to openly declare their membership of the Freemasons and other secret societies in general’, - so perhaps this should be kept in mind.  Pretend you’re [though you may be genuinely], concerned about the reduction of police numbers in the area, that sort of thing, ‘to scared to go out the door’ etc. - that way you’d get more chance or being chosen to ask your questions, but make sure you get the chance and timing right to get your ‘real’ question put forward to him, - and if you need any back up, you can quote the recent events below, and ask him isn’t it about time our police forces we obligated to sign a ‘Public Register’ declaring their membership of such secret societies. 

     This is only a suck it and see kind of idea that Robert Watson first put forward on a post on Facebooks Anti-Freemasonry Party, whom all can join. We obviously don’t know if we can find enough people in the Kent area, who could apply and submit their “cover-story’ questions, and if lucky enough to get chosen.

     Though saying that, for those felling rather neglected, then there’s not stopping you from e-mailing the Chief, with same “declarations” question! So if you can’t take part live but still want to make a comment? Please email your question to communications@kent.pnn.police.uk and the Chief Constable will answer it during the chat. Please include your [a] name with your question/comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTX1PZ5C3Vs&feature=player_embe...     Following the revelation in L’Express Magazine; of an official letter sent on Grande Loge Nationale Française [GLNF] s..., signed by the Grand Master; François Stifani, pledging support of the Grand Lodge, to President Nicolas Sarkozy, there have been calls for Stifani's resignation, and as recent as December 2011.

[The following has used in similar post regarding this matter, so is for those who don’t know the score].

     Now the only real wrong Stifani seems to have done, is that he got ‘caught out’ doing what the Freemason’s have long been doing,  which is blatant political dabbling, and has long been the activity of the irregular, largely unrecognised, and Left wing Grand Orient de France, which has often taken public stands on political issues and government policies, - yet this is the same the world over and what proves this kind of activity has long gone on and that Freemasonry has held the reins of the political parties for aeon’s, and see the political advance the Muslim Brotherhood have recently made in the middle-east.   In the United Kingdom, back in 1929 the New Welcome Masonic Lodge No. 5139, open 'inside' the Palace of Westminster, - alongside the other Masonic lodges for members of the other political parties. At its founding, membership was limited to Labour Party Members of Parliament only, but its scope has since broadened.  The lodge is alleged to have influenced the outcome of the 1935 Parliamentary leadership elections and was created at the suggestion of the then Prince of Wales, afterwards King Edward VIII, who was concerned by the antagonism between Freemasonry and the British left, and the fact that a number of Labour MPs were blackballed when applying to join Masonic lodges.  The New Welcome Lodge was intended to form a link between Freemasonry and the new governing party, and was open to Labour MPs and for employees of trade unions and the Labour party; its members included Labour’s deputy leader Arthur Greenwood, and no doubt Unison’s Trade union joint boss Tony Woodley among other trade union members. 

     Let’s not forget, it’s the Duke of Kent, who is the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England [UGLE], and that on the 9th December 2010, Alan Englefield the Grand Chancellor of the UGLE, wrote to François Stifani, accusing him as to the extent of damage the contents of the letter he wrote to President Nicolas Sarkozy, and what was subsequently made public and published in L’Express Magazine. - Englefield wrote; “...clearly offends against one of the basic principles of Freemasonry, that a Mason acting in his Masonic capacity does not make any comment on state or social policy, or what could be construed as allying himself or his Grand Lodge with a particular party of faction”.  - And like I say, the UGLE has had no alternative, than to react this way, as it can hardly publicly endorse it. 

     François Stifani, is causing uproar among the European Grand Lodges, for doing what many of us have long accused Freemason’s of doing, which is exactly that; ‘...allying themselves to particular political parties and factions’.  The Masonic Lodges situated in the heart of the political arena of Westminster – the Houses of Parliament, is obvious to this fact, it’s just that no one has been foolish enough to get caught writing down their allegiance on GLNF letterhead before! – So what normally arises following something like this, are cries it was ‘forgery’, they would collude and advise him to say; 'it had nothing to do with him'.  Though at the early days of this expose, Stifani said nothing of the kind, and especially prior to receiving the letter of complaint by the UGLE, as he hadn’t reported the matter to the police back then. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTX1PZ5C3Vs&feature=player_embe...

     If it was a forgery, then why else did the Deputy Grand Master, Jean-Claude Tardivat, resign as DGM and from the Board of Directors, which followed in the wake of other resignations by Jacques Studer, Provincial Grand Master of the Rhone Valley, and John Dugeny, Deputy Grand Master of Honour, and that members had to resort to the civil court action, when on the 7th December 2010, a Paris High Court demanded the GLNF’s General Assembly be convened to consider removing Stifani.  

     Though Stifani remained defiant—the Grand Master also serves as president of the governing board, and his public position is that he can be removed as president, - but can remain as Grand Master.

     Even though this was well over a year ago, it continues to make the news in France today, and they seem to be heading for a very ‘ugle’ and very public rocking of the foundations, as the keystone of the fraternity is being put under maximum strain, as these ‘great pillars’ of society are being exposed for what and who they really are. - Is the brotherhood about to implode within itself, are the great pillars of Boaz and Joachim about to fall in France, then Portugal?

     The Grand lodges in Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg had also written official letters of complaint to the GLNF and Stifani, protesting his supportive communication to President Sarkozy as being in violation of the most basic tenets of Freemasonry.  Though Stifani shrugged off those complaints, - until the UGLE weighed in with an official message of protest, saying what’s stated above,  – that Stifani seems to have then piped-up and claimed the letter was a forgery.  It was sent on GLNF stationary, and it had Stifani’s signature on it, but he contends the letter is a forgery, the stationary was stolen, and his signature was attached from an electronic file without his approval.  So somewhat belatedly and reluctantly, he filed a police report to that effect.

[The GLNF is just one of the three principal Masonic grand lodges in France, and is the one most recognised by the majority of the world’s Freemasons, including the UGLE, USA and Canadian grand lodges.]   

     In a shocking insight; to how some of the ‘brother’ reacted to Stifani, and is more reminiscent to that of an ice hocking arena, than the usual tranquil settings of a lodge, [which can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTX1PZ5C3Vs&feature=player_embe... ], Freemasons are shouting "Resign!" and "Thug!" at the address of the December 2011 annual meeting of the GLNF, by Stifani, following a demonstration by opponents of Stifani’s, who gathered outside the main entrance.   Some of the foreign delegator’s who attended, came into the room through another door.  It’s said around 1200 delegates attended the meeting in a room set up for 3000, as it does look rather sparse.  According to accounts Chris Hodapp had received, and who first wrote the original article about this Masonic tiff; - as about two-thirds of the participants shouted out; "Resign!" and "Thug!" to Stifani, and that he was hardly able to speak in a meeting which lasted two and a half hours.  The witnesses refer to a "climate of insurrection."  ‘It was like the Annual Communication of March 2010. Except that this was a ritual meeting, where order is supposed to reign, the reports were jeered. And it did not proceed to any vote.’

     Let’s not forget how shrewd they are, when incoming to power, the then Home Secretary Jack Straw of the UK, - said in 1998; “Membership of secret societies such as Freemasonry could raise suspicions of impartiality and objectivity”.  He promised to look into the proposal of a register for Freemason’s, who were also members of the judiciary, and particularly judges and magistrates.  However what went wrong, as why have things remained the same?  Well, and it is here where it exposes the sham, for it wasn’t until he knew he was at the end of his run, and after they had tossed the idea around and wasted almost 12 years doing not that much about it, - and not until when only having to be forced to resign from his position of power, in November 2009, did Jack Straw announce that he had decided to no longer force applicants for the judiciary to declare if they are Freemasons.  Incredibly, he said; “...there is no evidence of impropriety or malpractice.” - Yeah, if that’s what you say Jack, - as isn’t that why they’re a ‘secret society’ in the first place!

     The on the 11th January 2012, Portugal’s Prime Minister, Pedro Passos Coelho, rocked the Masonic foundations in Lisbon; when he announced guidelines for the obligations of persons holding high positions in government; ‘should disclose whether they are a member of the Freemason’s, and the name of their Masonic lodge’. 

     This proposal by Portugal’s PM, needs to be adopted by all our world leaders, we cannot be expected to continue to live in a world where members of our governments and their related bodies, are also members of the very same secret society. This request that they should have to declare their involvement with the Freemason’s is not new, and in some cases and professions; ‘voluntary declaration’ is asked, - though the problem is, who’s policing it, and why volunteer if it’s not a legal requirement?  The crux of the matter is this; if real transparency of government is to ever begin, then we the public should have the right to know; who is and who isn’t a member of a secret society whilst working for our governments. A law is required, so that a complete list and register of names are available for public scrutiny, and like that of the present electoral role system. – If you too would like this kind of public register available for us all to see, then it’s imperative that you too join this cause: http://www.causes.com/causes/643665-ban-members-of-secret-societies...

Sources:                                             

[1] http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/winston-churchill-freema...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Welcome_Lodge

[3] "Freemasonry Introduction: The F.·.W.·. Tracing Board."  http://freemasonrywatch.org/tracingboard.html

[4] "Masonic Secrets: The Secret Handshake, Secret Word, Secret  http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/secrets.html  

[5] http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=18324

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Comment by Exposure on February 12, 2012 at 7:48am

Like all things in life,  what is a 'no brainer' to some, is a complex of issues that need to be addressed, and is more taxing to them than that of the person who equates 'no brianer's', to something that still needs to be sorted out. 

We all tend to agree 99% of Freemasons are 'good guys', so where's the problem of a public register? What have these 'good guys' to hide? 

That leaves 1%, approx figure of 100,000 corrupt buggers, and it isn these chaps that have infiltrated our world governments and their related bodies, all around the world we can see the secret society problem rasing it's ugle [ugly] head, and why it's becoming a major issue in Europe, and as the article points out, on the 11th January 2012, Portugal’s Prime Minister, Pedro Passos Coelho, announced guidelines for the obligations of persons holding high positions in government; ‘should disclose whether they are a member of the Freemason’s, and the name of their Masonic lodge’. 

See, this has nothing to do with being a 'no brainer', we just need the 'right' laws and regulations in place and you'll be suprised what can actually happen.  - Only problem is, the worlds full of people, who always try to stop others at the first hurdle, and it's these kind of shits, one learns how to brush aside, as we can see their 'true colour's', which is they have more of a 'personal' agenda and not waning to work as a whole addressing the 'real' issues in this world, so prefer to chat bollocks instead.

Comment by Exposure on February 11, 2012 at 3:51pm

Yeah, you could be right there, that's why I started the paragraph saying this can only really apply to people in the Kent area.  This article has been covered already by others, though are using it for another angle. 

And because we are relying on anyone in that region to put themselves up for this task, they may more than likely not know about the current situation in regards to the recent developments in Europe, and why I say at the top; "...and if you need any back up, you can quote the recent events below", as without this knowledge they wouldn't have much else to fall back on. 

Also the same applies to any post I right, I like to fully explain all the facts and details and I often come under a barrage of attacks and calls for 'proof', so always provide links when I can.

You be surprised how so many people blog etc. with no real explanation or back up sources, I hate just mouthing it off without the full monty to back it up.

How I look on it, when I see a blog or post etc. if it's too long for me, and not what I'm really up for, I move on, there's millions of sources, blogs and posts, some short, some not so short, and some really long like a lot of my posts.  People can read them, or walk on bye, as that's exactly what I do, variety is the spice of life, and glad to be able see there are such a vast amount of so many different kinds of blogs about.

Comment by graeme sutherland on February 11, 2012 at 1:22pm

That was very long winded and overly wordy, I lost interest after the 2nd paragraph!!

 

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