Jack's original comments from the previous blog, "Let me ask you this... How many other religions offer Eternal Life for FREE given by a risen Savior who is God Himself?"
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Eternal life for free? I do not believe that was the focus of my initial interest or query. Nor do I have the desire to become the backstop to anyone's pontification. I respectfully request to avoid any dogmatic entanglements for the sake of debate. However you are free to say whatever you like, and please, by all means speak candidly.
Here is what I find to be true 99% of the time. Religious followers have a tendency to lock themselves into this figurative room of their cultures religion and presume to know the truth of our existence. From their little room with walls and no skyline they presume to preach "the truth" about the heavens; the truth of our existence and of the world, visions of the future -- all from their little room. Meanwhile, next to them in their little room, is another isolationist locked in their figurative room of their cultures religion, shouting from the doorway their proverbial truth. They all shout so loud from their doors that a funny thing happens. Because they never leave their figurative comfort zone, they never truly see one another. And with all the shouting they never take the time to listen.
They presume to know based on their bias. They blindly grasp at what they want to believe and they miss out on the very thing they so desire to see.
Now anyone here can claim to have studied all of the worlds religions and the history of these religions. They can say they have taken a liberal arts approach. They can stand behind scientific method acknowledging all the while that condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. They can claim to have covered all bases. Whether that is true or not is reflected in your sentiments often unbeknownst to most others including yourself.
If it is truth you seek, then do not presume to know how to move the earth from an island. However, if it is comfort you seek then stay on that island.
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Much of what I have read here precludes the possibility of a duel natured deity. It would stand to reason that in order to understand the nature of God, look at nature itself; an existence in which good an evil abound.
An example of this is the Christian bible. The God of the Old Testament is fundamentally different than that of the New Testament. Mind you, I had religion as a class and went to private schools so I have studied the bible academically. I am not pawning this off as truth just as perspective. Anyone who claims to monopolize any profound truth, by and large, are eventually proven wrong.
Seems we are still shouting from our doorways. I was hoping this blog would be jammed packed with information from all sides of the spectrum of belief. Instead of shutting others down and staking your claim on all truth from any one source, try to tolerate and build upon others ideas. By condemning all others understanding and monopolizing truth from your professed source of faith you alienate everyone else from your message and shut yourself off to their message. Here is a thought, we are only human after all. What if you're wrong? What if we are all wrong?
Thomas Gambill, I would very much like to know what denomination you follow if any. The overall message you have stood behind sounds similar to the born again Christians i use to study with years ago. Maybe your sources are an offshoot of this following? Enlighten me.
Jack, I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me directly. To preface my comments I would like to say that the above blog was in no way a reflection of you. I tried to continue the debate from the other blog over to this one, and I used what I thought at the time to be the last comment as the starting point and it happened to be your's. Having said that I will now address your statements. First, if you will, define ethereal as you feel it pertains to me. Second, you said, "I am sorry that you have trouble with God and His being, I personally didn't have that type of trouble so I can't say I relate to it" I never said anything about God nor gave any strong indication as to my beliefs about God or lack thereof. You have marginalized me and made many assumptions about me, this blog, and even the way you view me, someone you hardly even know. You say I will not believe and it's settled with me so there is no point to debating me or "someone like me" however, you do not know what I believe because I have not stated my beliefs. And how can you presume to know what is settled within me and what is not? Perhaps this blog is a step in my personal journey to the divine. Perhaps it is a key step upon your path as well. Maybe it is both. Condemnation without investigation is perhaps the greatest of all sins. Is it religion that has divided us throughout mankind's known history or is it ignorance?
You also stated that from your experience, in your earlier years, you saw many liberal minded intellectuals follow all paths to no end. Well I have observed from first hand experience both sides of this spectrum. I have seen throughout history thousands that have taken this approach and most are the greatest figures in history. I have also seen it go both ways in my personal life. I have seen many fail in their scholarly undertakings and give up, and I have seen them find peace.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
I never judged you or anyone else. I said 99% of religious followers...
So my point is we must learn to tolerate each others beliefs. Why can't we learn from each other like the greatest minds from antiquity that shared knowledge of the universe and their Gods/God/Goddesses? Why not be more like Alexandria, one of the greatest centers of learning in history, or ancient egypt, and share our myths and the adventures of the prophets from our religions, or beliefs, and educate one another.
Charles Magus, Nothing personal but your sources of truth are not true about Jesus Christ except the Bible. The Bible is the foundation of all truth.
If you can't tell the difference between the voice of God and the voice of the Devil, you are in serious trouble. Where is your discernment as a Christian?
No Vincent, you misunderstand, I never said that about "Jesus died on the cross for our sins, or that you go to hell." That is the last thing I would believe. I am no Bible Junkie! There are things about Jesus that people simply do not know and you won't find it in any bible. I like you believe in the powerful force in the universe is Love, Unconditional Love. Hell is a construct of the same force that controls the Zionists. Using people's own guilts against them. People make mistakes, but most don't deserve that hell.
To know who this man was, you would have to look into his childhood! He was not born as Jesus, he was the son of Royalty, his father was murdered and his mother committed suicide! The boy and his brothers and sister escaped, but he came back as Jesus.
I am with you on what you are saying Vicent. His history was written much later and the lies were added in like (he died for your sins) That is a control mechanism for those trapped in dogma.
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