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Permalink Reply by Lawrence Edward Calcutt on March 5, 2010 at 6:29pm

@ OryZen

Re: in part: "marshal law will be declared and UN troops will be sent in efforts to protect city’s such has Montreal and Quebec, from First Nations Terrorist attack, economic down turn will plague Canada, the Harper regime after setting up the Maloney introduced GRAND CANAL scheme, will be replaced by the IMF, WB, NWO controlled Ignatieff Liberal party setting the stage for the final steps for the North American Union."

Your description of the disillusion of Canada is frightening,
I Pray I will not live to see it happening. I am ill and God may grant me my wish.

Meanwhile I have 2 videos on youtube.com about the very subject you describe.

here are the links :
Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxCFHO58K5w

and
Part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqupDJ_FI8k

Larry From Canada

Permalink Reply by DallasBC on March 5, 2010 at 10:09pm

I hope too, but the wolves have been trying to blow my house down, Well they did, so nopw I do not have to worry about siding it now thansk to them.

no pun intended, thanks agian, you also

Permalink Reply by DallasBC on March 5, 2010 at 9:44pm

I agree with what you say, but the movement is larger now. More are aware, and willing to step up to the plate.

With the bank bail outs, and all the coruption, more and more will take a stand, agree UN will step in, but what are we going to do, let them roll with there current plans.

I beleive the masses are awake they just need a push, a leasder and the movement will comence.

they already have dimantled canada and the US, people are already seeing that, yes it will continue, unless we stand sise by side, and join in unity.

They have devided canadains for so long. and have us battling each other, but now we know who are enemy is and the truth movement is there , just waiting for a leaders now to organize.

We just need every voter to step uip to the plate, we have a constitution prepared for ther BC people, and i beleive they will agree.

They just need to know about the BC Refed party,

I was on the alex jones show, and a quebec news paper wrote an article about the BC Refed position.

The battle for freedom is always been there, but now it's closer thanm ever, we mmust not stoo educating, and the more we build with the truth movement the more we have a chance to change the tide.

It's like a big ship, cruising and every so often someone throws a torpedo at it, and it shifts direction. It's time to sink the ship!!!!!

thank you for your input would appreciate more from you

Dallas Hills

I am on face book also

Permalink Reply by DallasBC on March 8, 2010 at 9:32am

Been waiting for a long time,

The more that people are informed, and relize why we are in this mess. This is why educate people on the BC Refed, and ask them also to educate others, and soon there will be so many organzied looking aty the ones who created this mess, this orchestrated recession, to bank pay off with are money, ect

Here is what Ice land recently thought about the so called debt problem created by the banking system

Iceland votes 'no' to debt deal for collapsed bank


By GUDJON HELGASON and JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writers Gudjon Helgason And Jill Lawless, Associated Press Writers – Sun Mar 7, 2:17 pm ET

REYKJAVIK, Iceland – Icelanders blew whistles and set off fireworks in the capital as referendum results Sunday showed they had resoundingly rejected a $5.3 billion plan to repay Britain and the Netherlands for debts spawned by the collapse of an Icelandic bank.

Voters in the tiny Atlantic island nation defied both their parliament and international pressure to display their anger at how their nation was being treated.

"This is a strong 'No' from the Icelandic nation," said Magnus Arni Skulason, co-founder of a group opposed to the deal. "The Icelandic public understands that we are sovereign and we have to be treated like a sovereign nation — not being bullied like the British and the Dutch have been doing."

Despite the vote, all three governments promised to work on a new agreement between Britain, the Netherlands and Iceland, which is depending on international assistance to help drag itself out of an economic morass.

"It is not a matter of days or a few weeks, but it is important that we do it as quickly as possible," said Icelandic Finance Minister Steingrimur J. Sigfusson.

The Dutch Finance Ministry said it and Britain were committed to finding a solution, and British Treasury chief Alistair Darling said his country was prepared to be flexible about repayment terms.

Britain and the Netherlands want to be reimbursed for money they paid their citizens with deposits in Icesave, an Internet bank that collapsed in 2008, along with most of Iceland's banking sector. Most ordinary Icelanders feel the repayment schedule was too onerous.

More than 93 percent of voters said "no" in Saturday's ballot, while only 1.8 percent voted "yes," according to official results. The rest were blank or spoiled ballots. The results were based on a count of all but 2,500 of the 143,784 votes cast. Bad weather delayed ballot boxes from remote northern areas from reaching the capital, Reykjavik.

The overwhelming margin reflected Icelanders' simmering anger at bankers and politicians as the country struggles to recover from a financial meltdown. President Olafur R. Grimsson — who sparked the referendum by refusing to sign the repayment deal agreed by Iceland's parliament — said Icelanders resented having to pay for the actions of a few "greedy bankers."

He said, however, the British and Dutch would get their money back eventually.

"The referendum was not about refusing to pay back the money," Grimsson told the BBC. "Iceland is willing to reimburse those two governments, but it has to be on fair terms."

Iceland, a volcanic island with a population of just 320,000, went from economic wunderkind to fiscal basket case almost overnight when the credit crunch took hold.

After a decade of dizzying economic growth that saw Icelandic banks and companies snap up assets around the world, the global financial crisis wreaked political and economic havoc. Iceland's banks collapsed within a week in October 2008, its krona currency plummeted and protests toppled the government.

The new left-of-center government has been trying to negotiate a plan to repay $3.5 billion to Britain and $1.8 billion to the Netherlands as compensation for funds that those governments paid to around 340,000 of their citizens who had accounts with Icesave, an Icelandic Internet bank that offered high interest rates before it failed along with its parent, Landsbanki.

Failure to settle the dispute could have repercussions for Iceland's economic recovery. The International Monetary Fund has agreed to loan Iceland $4.6 billion, and the agreement is linked to repaying its international debts.

There also have been fears that Britain and the Netherlands would block Iceland's application to join the European Union until an Icesave deal is signed into law.

Last-minute talks on Icesave broke down last week, despite Britain and the Netherlands making a significant cut on the 5.5 percent interest rate in the original deal. That would have required each Icelander to pay around $135 a month for eight years — about a quarter of an average four-member family's salary.

Many Icelanders remain angry at Britain for invoking anti-terrorist legislation to freeze the assets of Icelandic banks at the height of the crisis.

"I voted 'no' because I feel that the U.K. has to take some responsibility itself for the Icelandic banks having failed," said 33-year-old engineering student Runolfur Oskar Einarsson.

Permalink Reply by Ironsides on April 20, 2010 at 7:01pm

Oryzen, I've just read this now. For the most part, alot of people don't fully understand democracy. With all I've studied on Restore the Republic.net in the past year, a democracy is not the kind of government we need.

A democracy always maintains a muscle-flexing superiority of one group over another. A republic is where the government is accountable to every citizen.--Not just the majority!

That's what makes the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights worth really getting to know. Our Founding Fathers really intended for every citizen to count. In Canada, that's the kind of government we need.

Oryzen said:

Good evening Lawrence,

How I wish it wasn't so, but in reality that is the plan. the first step of the plan, the independence of Quebec was initiated in 1968 at the Bilderberg group meeting in Mont-Tremblant Quebec, the attendees of this meeting was a who's who of political might in Quebec and Canada, including Pierre Eliot Trudeau, Paul Desmarais, Paul Martin, Claude Ryan, and the usual attendees such as David Rockefeller, David De Rothschild, Prince Bernhard ect. ect. well it didn't go exactly according to plan as the first referendum resulted in a majority win for the NO side of the equation. the second part of the plan the one that frightens the hell out of me and as I understand it your self included was planed out in the late 70's early 80's by the same set of Bilderberg Ideologist including American Neocon's George H.W.Bush, Henry kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Canadian master mind Maurice Strong. Here are the brief details from 1 to 10 a step by step plan for Canada and the US since 1981.

1- Back Mulroney with cash and spin-doctors. Send money through' the Mormon Bishop of Virginia, up to Winnipeg, and then to Montreal,

2 - Once elected, link Mulroney with Simon Reisman, the formet Deputy Minister of Finance.

3 - Appoint Reisman to lead a negotiating team who arrives from Canada begging for a Free Trade Deal. Let them pretend to be negotiating while they actually just follow a given pre-set IMPLEMENTATION SCHEME designed to harmonize Canada's laws to the USA.

4 - Write into the Free Trade deal the secret arrangements made to change Canada's foreign ownership laws by ORDERS IN COUNCIL at once.

5 - Replace the Canadian Government with the Bankers' second division team, the Liberals. This will help allay most peoples fears and continue the illusion of existing democracy and independence.

6 - Manage the separation of Quebec by placing the trans-national bankers' man, Lucien Bouchard, at the head of the separatist movement.

7 - Get the Canadian Government to back native claims against Quebec and publicly support the natives right to self-determination.

8 - Keep scaring Canadians with talk of the deficit. Raise taxes, reduce services. Increase drug patent protection. Cut employment to a minimum. People will then accept any conditions for employment proposed later, by the wealthy trans-national job creators.

9 - Borrow 100 billion dollars for the construction of water diversion projects across the north. When the project is at its midpoint, try to borrow a further 100 billion dollars. This second loan will be denied.

10 - When the International Monetary Fund declares that Canada is clearly insolvent, a general panic sets in. The Prime Minister runs down to Washington to plead for more credit. He is told loans are available on the condition Canada merges with the USA. This new deal would create a new country, - the United States of NORTH America.

Please note some parts of the original plan have been changed for example #10 it is no longer Canada begging for more dollars, but rather the US with Barack 'Mau Mau' Obama on his hands and knees begging for more money to the IMF and WB. He will be told loans are available on the condition USA merges with Canada, hence forth creating the New America, besides everything has already been set up in the SPP agreement signed in 2005 by short lived Prime Minister Paul Martin.

Now some of the plan as come to light while some still remain in the background for example; Mulroney Water Work project back by Maurice Strong is still a work in progress, but if you listened to Stephen Harper lately that project will soon come about face.

Has you can see it doesn't really matter how the plan works out the end result remains the same.

Keep up the good fight Lawrence and do stick around a bit longer, Canada needs good men like You

OryZen

Permalink Reply by Ironsides on May 16, 2010 at 7:49pm

Democracy is a political term which has severely been misunderstood during our lifetime. The Americans have plenty of educational material available at restoretherepublic.net .

Democracy caters to the majority, and always leaves minorities to be walked all over. The type of government any country really needs, is a republic! A republic government is accountable to every citizen, and nobody is dumped by the wayside for muscle-flexing purposes.

This country needs a total overhaul. First of all, we need to cut all ties to any monarchy, and have no strings attached to either England or France!--Period!

The obstacle to the 1992 Charlotte-town(?) Accord were the Separatists! They were scared of the French Federalists, that an independent and autonomous Canadian Federal government would not pamper Quebec as much as the Queen's monarchy would.--Then they turned around and demanded a second Referendum!

Under Pierre Trudeau, I think the Liberal Party had alot better attitude and social policies than since I had to return to Canada, and set up shop for the rest of my life.

What woke me up is when I wrote Prime-Minister Chretien in 2002, over the court case Angela Chesters launched against the Canadian government. The fact that co-workers and relatives of mine in Australia pushed me to take advantage of the 1981 International Year of the Disabled, to immigrate to Australia is what prompted me to push for a change to immigration laws.

The letter was not even received by Chretien, and instead, his secretary informed me that he forwarded it to the Minister of Immigration, who was the problem!

My letter thoroughly explained my own rejection by the Aussie government. I am the first disabled adult to have ever filed for immigration to Australia. Although they rejected my case, I learned that they used me to pat the Faser government on the back, for their contribution to International Year of the Disabled.

Just before my deportation notice arrived, a story was published on Fraser's immigration program to bring in disabled Vietnamese refugees, who would require much assisstance. A contact of mine informed me that it was nothing but a job creation program, to provide jobs for doctors, nurses, therapists, translators and teachers.

In my letter to Chretien, I attacked the lies about Disabled People draining a nation's health-care resources. The facts are that in our minority, the ratio who want to immigrate to another country, is much lower than the mainstream population.

I told him that if he really wanted to see who drains the country's health-care resources, let himself and his cabinet ministers take a look for themselves in every major hospital in Canada. The biggest cost to health-care, belongs to undisabled immigrants who were never screened for how much their costs might add up over the course of their lives.--Well, our multi-culturalists didn't like those details!

Angela Chesters had never been unemployed a day in her life, when she came from Germany. She was married to a Canadian, but after she was diagnosed with Multiple-Sclerosis, immigration kicked her out of the country.

In the U.S., Canada, and especially in Quebec, disability-rights has really gone nowhere. Most of us still live in the concentration camps our previous generations lived in Germany. We're exactly where governments want us to be, for the next round of extermination.

This country needs to nationalize the Central Banks, and put all mob-bosses from the Globalization organizations on trial for war-crimes! The Military needs to be restored to the Canadian government, to defend and protect all Canadians, including First Nations people against foreign enemies.--Not to defend and protect foreign enemies from Canadian citizens!

Permalink Reply by DallasBC on May 17, 2010 at 9:57am

I agree with allot you have said,,, but with the BC Refed constitution,,, and plan all will benifit,, for sure there is no perfect system,, but this system will at least make better lives for 95% of the population,,,

Please read their web site,, and this constitution drafted will still need to be ratified by the people of BC..

Once the theft off our resources, the false debt the bankers charge compounded intrest is removed,, and Canada goes back to printing it;s own money,,..

Many issues face us now, because so many have stopped voting because there is no party for the people..

Its a start to a better way to govern ourselves,, rather than this dictatorship we are under...

http://refedbc.com/siteA/

Ironsides said:

Democracy is a political term which has severely been misunderstood during our lifetime. The Americans have plenty of educational material available at restoretherepublic.net .

Democracy caters to the majority, and always leaves minorities to be walked all over. The type of government any country really needs, is a republic! A republic government is accountable to every citizen, and nobody is dumped by the wayside for muscle-flexing purposes.

This country needs a total overhaul. First of all, we need to cut all ties to any monarchy, and have no strings attached to either England or France!--Period!

The obstacle to the 1992 Charlotte-town(?) Accord were the Separatists! They were scared of the French Federalists, that an independent and autonomous Canadian Federal government would not pamper Quebec as much as the Queen's monarchy would.--Then they turned around and demanded a second Referendum!

Under Pierre Trudeau, I think the Liberal Party had alot better attitude and social policies than since I had to return to Canada, and set up shop for the rest of my life.

What woke me up is when I wrote Prime-Minister Chretien in 2002, over the court case Angela Chesters launched against the Canadian government. The fact that co-workers and relatives of mine in Australia pushed me to take advantage of the 1981 International Year of the Disabled, to immigrate to Australia is what prompted me to push for a change to immigration laws.

The letter was not even received by Chretien, and instead, his secretary informed me that he forwarded it to the Minister of Immigration, who was the problem!

My letter thoroughly explained my own rejection by the Aussie government. I am the first disabled adult to have ever filed for immigration to Australia. Although they rejected my case, I learned that they used me to pat the Faser government on the back, for their contribution to International Year of the Disabled.

Just before my deportation notice arrived, a story was published on Fraser's immigration program to bring in disabled Vietnamese refugees, who would require much assisstance. A contact of mine informed me that it was nothing but a job creation program, to provide jobs for doctors, nurses, therapists, translators and teachers.

In my letter to Chretien, I attacked the lies about Disabled People draining a nation's health-care resources. The facts are that in our minority, the ratio who want to immigrate to another country, is much lower than the mainstream population.

I told him that if he really wanted to see who drains the country's health-care resources, let himself and his cabinet ministers take a look for themselves in every major hospital in Canada. The biggest cost to health-care, belongs to undisabled immigrants who were never screened for how much their costs might add up over the course of their lives.--Well, our multi-culturalists didn't like those details!

Angela Chesters had never been unemployed a day in her life, when she came from Germany. She was married to a Canadian, but after she was diagnosed with Multiple-Sclerosis, immigration kicked her out of the country.

In the U.S., Canada, and especially in Quebec, disability-rights has really gone nowhere. Most of us still live in the concentration camps our previous generations lived in Germany. We're exactly where governments want us to be, for the next round of extermination.

This country needs to nationalize the Central Banks, and put all mob-bosses from the Globalization organizations on trial for war-crimes! The Military needs to be restored to the Canadian government, to defend and protect all Canadians, including First Nations people against foreign enemies.--Not to defend and protect foreign enemies from Canadian citizens!

Permalink Reply by vernon dodge on February 10, 2012 at 4:30pm

  Probably the Harper government voted 80% in favour of legalizing marijuana to throw something to the masses of sheople,so they could gain their agenda into becoming alined even further with the U.S.arm of the NWO. This beast will have many arms,but I wonder if the people of Quebec would go along with this if they new the bigger picture,and now we have the U.N. trying to pass laws that would make water a public domain,who's domain,we all know who's domain here.Also about Quebec,hydro Quebec is owned by the province,and therefore everyone owns it. Most of the water that flows south to the sons of bitches originates here. About sons of bitches,probably the devil has a lot of ugly female demons as his wives,because that would make since, since so many female, there are a few male bitches in there too, reel their ugly heads in great numbers The intellectual class that rules the hearts of Quebec are I'm sure well aware .This group remind me of the forefathers of the united states,and they influence even the politicians,because they are in the same circles.This is significant,the independence is well know,they are a small society,being that they are french.This make for a cent bond between the all, independent from the rest of Canada by virtue of their blood. The Quebec people own the wealth of this province which is rich in almost all natural resources, but mostly there water is of the greatest value. I believe that trying to take their water rights away could start the revolution and a withdrawal from the rest of Canada ,and a withdrawal from the rest of I would hope and pray from the north american continent.Remember,we fought together here in Canada with the Americans during the American revolution,and the forefathers remind me of the spirt here that I have seen in the hearts and the spirit of it's people.I know that you who are not from here do understand all of this.England is a huge leg of the Beast,and all of you have your own good reasons for wanting to stop the Beast too,and what's been happening because of the monstrous swam of Pigs,of course I know Pigs don't fly and by god the whole stinking thing does not fly by me.  I'm tired now so there are some of my thoughts about Canada but mostly Quebec,Also I would like to add that I would be fighting right beside my brothers and sisters here.I would love to be from a new country that really did try to be the best it could!  Also perhaps all of you should come here and fight a fight of freedom for all of Canada.                                                                  

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