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Comment by Robert D on December 31, 2009 at 1:37pm

well everyone wants a hand out / freebie that "someone else" has to pay for , and that is what the idiot pat of the population is thinking Obama can bring to them , I just hope these extreme entitlement programs do not crash our currency . or destroy our liberties

And I must fully agree the sweetheart deals made where votes were bought , [with our tax money] that some states do not have to pay , so they would vote for the bill !! is the worst thing I have ever heard

my favorite part is to put them into medicare ..... its broke and bankrupt , now lets add hundreds of thousands of people to it ... yea that will fix it

Comment by 5Fires on December 28, 2009 at 3:54am

"My opinion is that FEMA camps are a distraction and will never be used on the American public. I also don't believe American troops will ever be used against us. As I said, I've used analytical and statistical evidence to develop my opinion."

Wow Jeff - that information... well all I can say is WOW!

I'm using the particular subject matter above because it is for both sides a Concrete Resolve. Before I give my view of your view... well first let me say that I understand where you're coming from and based on that, I agree with you totally - I also understand as to why you see the Rothschild’s as you do, and with that, thus far, I also agree. I also see what is known as, Abstract aka the Variable, which doesn’t cause me to thoroughly disagree, discount, and or discredit but rather, I hope it appreciates and compliments your view.

During times past, the military was used to round people up I.E. WW II, that of course is Concrete, but what if the Concrete had a variable and or abstract? What do we see when we look at fully geared soldier, let's face it, they do project an impressive energy insomuch they become a distraction, right? Likewise so do what many think are FEMA Camps. The presentation and just the presenting of those two concerns is the Variable which is anticipated to manifest a Concrete resolve to and within the on-looker. However, the Variable also has the capability to become absolutely concrete and in so doing in this particular case, round people up and hold them in one place.

However, again, if a round-up occurred people would have to be fed and cared for, or killed, and since fewer can be rounded up at any one time then not, the majority would exercise a reverse concrete reaction, and put simply the result would be, "there's no profit in that."

So, now we need another Variable. So let’s do this. Let’s drive a wedge; let’s use a variable of Hate mingled with Love. Let’s select a group to round up. Let’s select the most passionate and say, that’s half of the total; next, ascertain the amount of resources (both abstract and concrete) required in completing the round up. Now, with the other half, let’s convince them that the other half who will be rounded up are a threat and danger who lack Love and compassion, and those who are rounded up, are only getting what they deserve… Now, also let us implement several variables/abstracts and while those variables/abstracts cause a distraction, let us move the resources and assets for the round up into place. We will ascertain those to be rounded up by their reaction to the variables/abstracts we implement.

Now here Jeff, I think we both should ask not whether the FEMA Camps and Troops will be used but rather, will the presentation (the Variable/Abstract) be used and if so will it work well enough to gain a Concrete Resolve?

At your request, I give my opinion of the matter, and that is Yes and No. I agree and disagree. I agree because the entire formula is based on the ultimate form of Concrete Matter which I identify as a Competitive Mind. I disagree the formula will work because the ultimate Abstract/Variable is abused, which I identify as Creative Mind. Competitive mind can only produce competition and when the creative mind is abused that which it produces is dysfunctional.

You see, both sides in the scenario only see 2 sides, even though one side is divided into 2 groups they still only see 2 sides… or 2 groups, but those who can see where the Abstract/Variable and Concrete support one another are another group. They’re not a third group to the other two, they are totally separate.

Please allow me to ask you, how many people do you know (personally) who drive a vehicle and carry a spare tire with them? Now, of those who among them would be most likely to check their spare tire ever so often and actually do?

Having a spare tire is Abstract/Variable; knowing it is in the vehicle and Functional, is Concrete. Now in that, having the spare tire is creative but not checking it is Competitive; on the other hand, having the spare tire and checking it illuminates the Competitive completely. That is the essence of that other group.

When it seems most effective where there is there is a balance in understanding of Abstract and Concrete and how they support one another, there is total Creativity and Peace, but when there is an imbalance and lack of understanding there seems to be Competiveness and Chaos. The supreme intelligence and those directly appointed by such and who also are in total harmony with such, are the only beings capable of resolution by creativity, exclusively. However, I am told and I choose to believe that by admitting my competitive nature I will be relieved of it and join those empowered with the gift of total creativity, eventually. Nevertheless for now, I purchase quality affordable firearms think creatively (which means think about the lives I can save).

A little about me...
I suppose there may come a time in which I will have no other choice but to let the supreme intelligence, (whom I call Yahshuah – the Salvation of Yahweh) make the final decision as to whether I continue in this form and the pleasure of killing me may or may not be had by the murderer, but as for as long as I have the means and capability to avoid such a murderer and incapacitate such a threat I’ll just have to do what I have to do as the situation warrants even though it may be competitive but at the same time I will do my best to strive for the creative resolve. You see, I believe that mankind’s purpose is to implement both the concrete and abstract through creativity as the supreme intelligence does with only one distinction, that we cannot create anything that has not already been conceived by the supreme intelligence. In other words, we get all of our information from that supreme intelligence and then we go to work and create some pretty cool things; there’s no competition because whatever we want and in whatever quantity we want it in can be created by us. It’s recorded many times over that the Salvation of Yahweh conducted himself that way.

So as to whether, in my opinion, troops and FEMA camps will be used and regarding your opinion, I agree and disagree based on the degree of implementation of the Abstract/Variable and Concrete, and usage of the Creative and Competitive minds, and that just me.

Comment by Jeff on December 27, 2009 at 7:37pm

5Fires, thanks for the info. I lived in Phoenix for 20 years. The Business Journal is often a good source of information. You're an intelligent person. You express yourself well verbally.

I have an opinion about TPTB that I've voiced here and elsewhere before. I'll leave two links to articles below that substantiate that opinion. The first is lengthy, sophisticated and analytical and requires paying close attention. The second supports it statistically. They provide for a very, very strong argument. My argument is based on logic and something few people are aware of. That would be Autogenocide. Not a new word but its been defined differently in the article linked below to make it applicable to the 20th and 21st centuries. I truly hope you'll read both linked articles carefully and get back with me. I'm interested in your own opinion of my opinion.

My opinion is that FEMA camps are a distraction and will never be used on the American public. I also don't believe American troops will ever be used against us. As I said, I've used analytical and statistical evidence to develop my opinion.

Basically, there's absolutely no need. You and I and people like us are far fewer than we're led to believe and I say that also based on statistical evidence. Of 330 million people we make up less than .03 percent. Less than a million. By carefully perusing major media mainstream web sites, Gather in particular but also many others and especially those where public commentary is available to read it becomes apparent that the majority of US citizens are simply awash in and apt to believe in the entire propaganda paradigm presented to them. From the wars to vaccines and everything in between. Read the comments. Join Gather and view the content and comments. Actually you only have to join to comment. I'm Militant Rebel there and I'm quite alone in my thinking. Gather has a massive membership in the millions with a slew of active people. They are one and all asleep.

The American public especially, more so than any other global society is far less aware of and spends far less time pursuing an understanding of both national and global politics than any other society. The evidence is in the public demonstrations in the UK as compared to here. The evidence exists in the public commentary on mainstream web sites that allow comments.

Over the last 30 or 40 years we've been inundated with environmental chemical pollution from fluoride in the water to Bisphenol-A lining our canned foods, chemicals outlawed in other western democracies. The same for unlabeled GM foods and aspartame among others. Add to that our penchant, based on a lack of time, for developing our opinions as the result of sound bytes as opposed to factual data, the gradual erosion of intellectual academics and our strong desire for leisure and you have an entirely and ever apathetic public.

Americans, unbeknown to themselves, are being slaughtered. Allow me to define that briefly but please, read the links below and leave a comment here or email me here. The average lifespan of a person in the 1 million dollar income bracket is far higher than that of a person making 100,000 dollars which is then far higher on average than a person making 30,000 dollars which is again far higher than one making 14,000 dollars, basically the poverty level.

We are rife with disease from diabetes to heart disease, cancers and liver diseases, Asthma and lung diseases and the incidence of these diseases is increasing.

Read these links and perhaps you'll better understand why I believe that things will continue as they are, get worse perhaps, but no troops will ever be used and FEMA camps will remain unfilled. There's just no need when you have a population where they have us now.

Think about it. They gave 12 trillion to the banks, there are 25 million unemployed, millions are losing their homes, we just sent 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, Bush et. al. got away with murder and now the health care debacle. You and I are few of many more unlike us.

Read this HERE and then this HERE and you'll see that when you understand Autogenocide as defined in this article and add in the supporting statistics a different picture of America emerges.

Comment by 5Fires on December 27, 2009 at 6:09pm

Hey Jeff - you got me to start thinking (that's scary...) but.............
Here's something that might bring some dots together

U.S. Troops May Be Deployed In Arizona
Published on 12-04-2008

Source: Phoenix Business Journal


U.S. Defense Department plans to deploy as many 20,000 U.S. troops within the U.S. for homeland security and anti-terrorism efforts could result in a significant number being placed or having some kind of presence in Arizona and the Southwest, according to security experts.

There have been threats against the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix, the Hoover Dam on the Arizona-Nevada border as well as the Las Vegas Strip and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Arizona is also home to U.S. military intelligence operations at Fort Huachuca and has become a focal point with border security efforts along the Mexican border.

The Washington Post recently reported the Pentagon plans to have up 20,000 U.S. troops placed in domestic locations with the charge of responding to security matters.

Some of those troops -- which are under the U.S. Northern Command -- have already been active in Arizona, helping with security efforts along the Mexican border.

The Colorado Springs, Colo.-based Northern Command was created after 9/11 and is geared towards homeland security and civil defense within the U.S.

Civil libertarians on the left and right wonder what role the U.S. troops deployed on U.S. soil will play in security efforts and point to long-held precedents against having the military be involved in law enforcement matters.

The Northern Command has also been deployed to help with natural disasters such as hurricanes and has partnered with state national guard units, including Arizona’s, on various programs, according to Defense Department information.

“The military’s deployment within U.S. borders raises critical questions that must be answered,” said Jonathan Hafetz, staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project. “What is the unit’s mission? What functions will it perform? And why was it necessary to deploy the unit rather than rely on civilian agencies and personnel and the National Guard?” asked Hafetz in a statement.

A number of security experts and others declined comment but others expect a fair number of domestically deployed troops to have a presence in the Southwest because of the Mexican border and some high-profile targets

Comment by 5Fires on December 27, 2009 at 4:06pm

Hey Jeff - hope you're doin' good as can be...
"So when and where is the revolution"

Well, that's hard to say because, what's it going to take to anger people enough?
Looking back at History one would have thought the Boston Massacre would have been the breaking point, yet it wasn't until almost 5 years later when people decided to pull the trigger. Now these bastards have know this. So, TPTB know they have to figure out how to get our arms or render them useless. Katrina was a experiment and for the most part proved a point, that people will comply. However, I don't think that is going to happen on a national scale, all at once. The down side begs the question of what will TPTB actually do to stop the resistance? TPTB are realizing the masses are waking up and their arrogance is causing people to reach for others means to make their points and objections known, so time is runing out quickly for everyone on both sides, I think.

Once they do that thing, that's when SIGTHTF. That's just my opinion of course. So, in the meantime, I look for good reviews on inexpensive arms, think creatively, and continue to prepare.

Comment by Jeff on December 27, 2009 at 3:23pm

5Fires, I agree with everything you've said. So when and where is the revolution. See this post which was, presumably, posted before your comment.

HERE

Comment by 5Fires on December 27, 2009 at 9:43am

Jeff and Key - I'm not directly picking on or affronting either of you... albeit between you, y'all magnify, probably the utter most important point of our problems at large, not only within this Health care Reform Bill but, I would venture to say, Legislation as a whole for the past 40 years and that is, the Language. Don't worry, I have no intention of asking anyone to bear a long chronology of historical events and characters to which blame should be placed.

I'm only going to ask that every one's attention be directed to just 2 words in the Health Care Reform Bill to illustrate my point, my frustration, and finally my resolve.

RE: Page 4 Line # 4-9: Health care Reform Bill
"GENERAL.—the purpose of this division
7 is to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans"

Key words:
1. "Divisions"
2. “All”

The usage of the word” Divisions" alone, should be cause enough to have the entire document burned! By allowing Divisions or more commonly know as Departments, provision is established to write and enact policy, and by Policy, Quasi Law is affirmed which subverts basic civil rights. That's just the tip of tip of the "iceberg" of troubles.

Secondly, the usage of "all" creates a platform to establish destruction of sovereign national borders, and that's just the tip of tip of the same "iceberg." Do we not have North Americans and South Americans?

In order to ascertain the true effects and purposes of this proposal, an individual actually needs a Concordance of Legal Language and a complete set of Black's Law Dictionaries. The entire document contains nothing but this very evil rhetoric; and though evil in it's usage it's also as subtle and innocent as a dove.

"Reduce Health care spending..." for whom? Perhaps the language, Reduce Health care Profits, would inspire a different approach?

The number of implications this Health care legislation contains are infinitely disastrous; but to what degree of concern is it to the vast majority who are bombarded with conditioning advocating and promoting self-centeredness under the guise of self-improvement; objectively known as competitive social engineering, obviously none?

Then there begs another question, when? When will it finally come to the point in the conscience of the humanity of America where the words of the founding fathers will become those of this generation?
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Are we not already forced to buy insurance for our vehicles; and if you have purchased a house for that as well; so then, why not force coverage for your health upon you as well; why not a socialistic single payer program for all significant concerns of risk and make everything a risk. Why not??? They’ve made everybody a criminal!

Speak of the Devil...
‘Perish the thought… I’m not here to take away your freedom…‘I’m here to make your life easier by relieving you of responsibility of Choice; worried about what you’ll get? Don’t worry… everybody will get the same… see there, I give you Freedom and undeniable equality, and make the world a better place for you and the children’ (and this time evince a design to reduce the WORLD under absolute despotism.’)

Can we not see its right in our face? Of course we can but even our founding fathers were forced to acknowledge national self inflicted peril and apathy.
"….and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

I want people to understand that until they realize which of the elements, aspects, essence, and attributes which compose our humanity inspired what was penned in the Declaration of Independence and inspired Patrick Henry’s final ultimatum, there is not an alternative to Tyranny or any other means by which it can be stopped. Maintaining Freedom is an act of war against those who impose Tyranny and war is uncivilized; though there are rules which must be followed in order to conduct war, it is what it is. War is an uncivilized matter engaged only with uncivilized means after all civil efforts to avert war have been exhausted. There is no such thing as a, Civil War! The language, Civil War, is an oxymoron.

The question of, how can this i.e. Tyranny be stopped has been raised countless times and the answer is still the same, Pain. Tyranny is not something which can be stopped… it has to be destroyed! It has to be destroyed by such excruciating pain manifesting an hideous and horrific image … an image so horrific and hideous; there is not one element within the entirety of even the universe of imaginations left to inspire its’ rise ever again.

I’ve had enough of the superficial symbol isms such as the Tea Party and the Pink Slips, and “Vote Them out Of Office rhetoric and the display of cowardice by sending faxes, emails and making pointless phone calls, and it did not take much or very long to get filled.

As Patrick Henry came to the same juncture... he stated:
"Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now

coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we

have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to

arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been

slighted; our remonstrance has produced additional violence and insult; our

supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt,

from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond

hope of peace and reconciliation? There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish

to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which

we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble

struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged

ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained-

-we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of

hosts is all that is left us!”

Stop exerting yourselves and wasting time in exercising frivolous expressions of patriotic symbolism and rhetoric. Instead, go out and buy Body Amour, 1 semi-auto hi capacity rifle, 1 semi auto pistol, 1 semi-auto or pump shot gun, and 1 revolver, a significant and substantial amount of ammunition for each, and also, every item that would provide you with a reasonable alternative to the means of comfort and security as you have become accustom to. Then, make copies of all the receipts, staple them together and place them in an envelope along with a note which says:

Dear Elected Gentlemen and Ladies of Governance of the United States of America,

When such a time comes in which our voice of protestation and our written words of
objection are ignored by you, and by your actions and words, We The People by
whom you are elected to serve and obey, are considered and referenced in your
commentary only by contempt, insult, and degradation; and you enable and approve
certain legislation, policy, and acts for reasons contrary to your oath of loyalty and
devotion to your constituency, disregards and violates the Constitution of the United
Sates of America enacted March 4, 1789 and or when such legislation and policies
purports to indirectly or otherwise erode and usurp Republic form of government
and impose unreasonable financial burdens through taxation, Socialism, and perverse
interpretations of General Welfare; and or when foreign policy recklessly endangers
the national security of America and reduces the essence of the integrity of national
image in the eyes of the world at large, to an image of criminal and or even bears the
least of potential to do so and be enacted as Law and or Government policy, I am
prepared to willfully and peacefully object, protest, and resist through exhaustion of every Legal and Lawful means avaialble; and further, by all means necessary as any situation would warrant, defend myself, my liberties, and resist the physical and actual enforcement of all and any such legislation and or policy which infringes upon my civil liberties, violates the sovereignty of my state, community, neighborhood indirectly or otherwise and or advocates and enables police agents to enter my land and home without Due Process of Law and or threatens me with penalty, bodily
harm, and or punishment and or imprisonment for non-compliance with any such
legislation and or policies.

By means of this announcement and the content herein I’m extending the courtesy
of making perfectly clear to you, my opinion and resolve toward your performance in
representing my interest, values, and patriotism.

Sincerely and Respectfully

Your initials and your general location
*****end****

This can all be done anonymously if you choose. Simply cross out any data on the receipts that would identify you personally. Talk with those who are of like mind in your locale and send them together.

It’s time to let the tyrants know that that such proposals of exchanging Freedom for Security and exchanging Freedom for convenience and perversely interpreted general welfare are entirely unacceptable by making perfectly clear our capabilities to inflict such excruciating pain upon anyone who will try to enact and enforce such proposals into law; and, the only way to do that, is show that we can and will and are continuing to prepare for the time in which they pass such proposals into law. Let them go ahead and pass these proposals into law and let them feel the pain of our disdain.

Criticize, disagree or what the hell??? call me delusional but understand, you do so by the liberties of which I intend to defend. It has been said,"those who do not learn from History are destined to repeat it" and now one must ask, do we see a repetitiveness here? If so, then we dare not change our course lest evil should prevail; but if we do not, then what are we complaining about if the situation at hand can be counted as a new refreshment?

Comment by I811st on December 25, 2009 at 10:18am

Comment by Jeff on December 25, 2009 at 9:42am

Greg, I know that you know that I agree.

Comment by Jeff on December 25, 2009 at 8:22am

There's probably no silver lining. The bill will have far more bad then good, but I managed to find at least a few things, if they aren't changed, that I like posted at the link below.

2016 pages. That alone tells me there's a lot to dislike but I haven't found it yet. Of course I'm not really looking.

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