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Comment by Less Prone on February 14, 2020 at 3:26am

Victim without a house number
History, February 13, 2020 Thomas Schafer

Translation from Junge Freiheit

In the never-ending debate about the actual number of victims as a result of the Anglo-American air strikes on Dresden on February 13 and 14, 1945, the number of refugees who were then in the Elbe city played a decisive role. Since the start of the Soviet offensive on the Eastern Front, hundreds of thousands of civilians from Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia have attempted to escape the Red Army. A significant number of these people came west via railroad over Dresden, because the railroad tracks in Saxony were still largely intact.

At the same time, however, around 500,000 former Silesian residents also found longer admission to the region. It can therefore be assumed that there were a larger number of refugees in Dresden in February 1945 than "Elbflorenz" sank to rubble and ashes due to the dropping of around 800,000 explosive and incendiary bombs.

Contemporary witnesses contradict historians

Exactly this fact was questioned by the historically commissioned historian commission under the direction of Rolf-Dieter Müller from the military history research office of the Bundeswehr. In the part of the panel's final report that dealt with the refugee question, Rüdiger Overmans judged on the basis of extremely small samples from the available contemporary listings that “only a very small amount - at most in the dimension of a low four-digit number - missed refugees who were in Dresden at the time of the attack.

Historians who, like Overmans, assume extremely few victims from the former German eastern territories usually argue as follows: On the one hand, there has been an immigration ban in Dresden since the city was declared a “fortress area” on January 1, 1945, and on the other hand, they were Evacuation trains have always been passed through the Elbe metropolis very quickly. And of those who want to at least allow the existence of larger refugee contingents in Dresden, many assume that the reception camps would have been on the non-bombed periphery of the city. However, the facts and numerous eyewitness accounts speak a completely different language.

The first refugees did not come to Dresden in early 1945, but in August 1944 - these were Germans from the Balkans. And undoubtedly they also lived in collective accommodations within the city. In addition, many of the newly arrived civilians from Silesia and the other war zones had been quartered in private homes near the center, such as the one with the address Bürgerwiese 25. This was reported by the well-known dancer Gret Palucca, among others. Many refugees remained in Dresden as a result of being too ill or too weak to continue their journey after the hardships of the past few weeks.

Twenty trains full of refugees from the east

Larger groups of Silesians, who had made their way to Dresden with their own teams, also camped on the edge of the Great Garden and in the area of ​​the exhibition grounds and the Elbe meadows. Other stranded refugees, in turn, sought protection under the underpasses not far from the three larger train stations in Dresden. Many evacuation trains had only reached Dresden Central Station, Dresden Neustadt or Dresden Friedrichstadt and then stayed there. Because there was a lack of locomotives - the transports to the front were priority. According to the witness Hans-Joachim Droll, around twenty trains full of refugees from the east were stuck in Dresden at the beginning of the air raid in February 1945.

These were later found to be completely destroyed and burned out, which is not surprising since the train stations were among the preferred targets. For example, the air war historian Götz Bergander, who himself had been there in 1945, gave evidence of the large number of corpses there. And the employee of the urban missing person's center Hanns Voigt put the total number of dead civilians in the area of ​​the main station alone at 7,000 to 10,000.

Allies attacked areas of no economic or military importance

There were also the refugees in the large garden and in the other open spaces within the city. During the second wave of attacks in the early morning of February 14, 1945, these areas were also of no economic or military importance in the bombing of the Royal Air Force. As is easy to understand, the people there had little chance of survival due to the lack of air-raid shelters and similar facilities.

From all this it can logically be concluded that in Dresden more than just a few thousand refugees from the eastern German regions must have been killed.

Comment by Less Prone on February 14, 2020 at 3:08am

Dresden: Left-wing extremists mock bomb victims in cemetery

Germany February 13, 2020 JF

The cultural Marxist scum shows their ignorance and intolerance to any ideas differing from their delusional world view. It is easy to shout hate filled slogans against peacefully assembled mourners of the terrible atrocity that took place 75 years ago. The following is a translation from a German website Junge Freiheit. 

"DRESDEN. Left-wing extremists disrupted the commemoration ceremony at the Dresden Heidefriedhof cemetery for the dead of the Allied air raids on the city 75 years ago. They chanted "Never again Germany!", "There is no right to Nazi propaganda!" And "Grandma, Grandpa and Hans-Peter: No victims, but perpetrators!", Unrolled banners and drowned out the reading of the names of victims.

The partially disguised troublemakers had loudspeakers with them and demanded that the memorial service for the German bombing be abolished. Among other things, the left-wing youth in Dresden called for the protests.

Around 2,000 people attended the memorial service in the cemetery. Saxony's President Matthias Rößler (CDU) was outraged by the appearance of the demonstrators. "I find it incredible what is happening here, I am outraged. The people who do something like that are outside of any culture of remembrance, ”he said according to the Bild newspaper.

Drummers disturb silent commemoration on Altmarkt

The AfD city council group laid down a flower arrangement with 6,865 flowers in the Heidefriedhof. The number is reminiscent of the dead from the air raids that were buried there.

Left-wing groups also demonstrated at the Altmarkt in Dresden against remembering the bomb deaths. Under the motto "Hope - fight racism" they protested against a planned AfD event. Previously, the "Alliance for Action on February 13, 2020" announced that it would also like to disrupt silent commemoration. For this purpose, drummer groups had performed among other things."

Comment by James Roberts on January 16, 2020 at 6:54pm

Doc Vega - I've investigated historical revisionism as regards the second world war period, and that preceeding it, in much depth. All revisionism is not the same. I suggest you start here, with a Jewish revisionist's work -

David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper

and Other Losses by James Bacque , on the purposeful extermination (by starvation, thirst and exposure) of a million German civilians post-war, in concentration camps created by the order of Eisenhower.

"History is more or less bunk" - Henry Ford

Comment by Doc Vega on January 16, 2020 at 4:55pm

Les, I appreciate your comments and work, but I am very wary of the Historic revisionism that's been going on especially how under the Obama administration the federal government went after the founding fathers and as most of us know at the the turn of the century in the early 1900's there was an educational effort and rewriting campaign of US history conducted by the Carnegie Institute, Ford Foundation, and Rockefeller Trust as well as others to reprogram students, control their minds, and change their impression of US history toward socialism and de-emphasize of individual accomplishment.

Comment by Less Prone on January 16, 2020 at 11:34am

General Patton “We defeated the wrong enemy". Soon after that he died in suspicious circumstances.

Comment by Less Prone on January 16, 2020 at 11:23am

Thanks for your comments. Doc, I'm aware of the official history, the his-story of the winners of the war. But it's fake, much like all that the corporate media spins out today. Mr. Sizzle proposes that you read the Hellstorm book, and I agree. If also you can get the video hellstormdocumentary.com, it will give you something to think about. What Really Happened has the video "All Wars Are Banker Wars", and it certainly applies to this one also.

When Hitler offered peace it was quickly rejected, because the bankers wanted war to devastate Europe.

Hitler's peace

Comment by James Roberts on January 16, 2020 at 8:06am

Doc Vega - The Brits started the war. Germany invaded Poland to stop the mass killing of ethnic Germans there. The Brits bombed German civilian areas for five months while Hitler tried to resolve it by diplomatic means, before he dropped one bomb on England. The Germans  had come up with microwave ovens by the end of the war, also microwave tubes as small as Klystrons (for atomic bomb ignition) and semiconductor discs were captured by the allies. They just had no idea what they were for. You think Germany couldn't have had the atomic bomb if they'd wanted? They could have. If he had've had them build and use it, on London, DC and Moscow, we'd be living in a fucking paradise today. Not one with Muslim child grooming gangs, baby death factories in every major city and 10 year old boys dancing in gay bars.

Comment by Mr. Sizzle on January 16, 2020 at 7:31am

@Doc Vega  I have a book for you to help you understand what war crimes really are and who committed them during World War2.  I know you’re a writer and all authors need inspiration so allow me to give you some inspiration to create a spark of wisdom.

https://library.abundanthope.org/index_htm_files/Hellstorm%20The%20...

I challenge you to face this and write about the single greatest war crime and atrocity against the German population by the Allied forces at the end of the war.

Comment by Doc Vega on January 16, 2020 at 6:15am

Sorry Les, but did you not learn about history when you were in school? The Nazi's brutally crushed their political opponents, they began invading and occupying Europe, they created the V-1 and the V-2 and when Goering's Luftwaffe failed in the air battle over England they endlessly bombarded civilian targets with the V-1 buzz bomb and V-2 missile. 

Germany wasn't the only nation that experienced fir bombing as General Curtis Le May was the architect of the incendiary bombing of Tokyo! The US didn't even need the Atomic Bomb but it would only have led to a prolonged war that would have cost an estimated million allied casualties alone! And if we had not created the Atomic Bomb Germany was fast trying to complete their heavy water experiments as they used unshielded human prisoners, most of them Jews who died by the thousands of radioactive sickness! 

Had Germany developed the Atomic Bomb with the V-2 ready to carry it all over Europe and even to NYC across the pond with a one-way bomber crew do you think the Germans would have shown any shred of fucking mercy?

The world have been a very different place! And you would be eating schnitzel, sauerkraut, and saluting to photos of the fuhrer! What don't you understand? A nation does not start the largest most devastating war in human history and not expect to receive retribution!  

Comment by Less Prone on January 11, 2020 at 12:41pm

From Dresden on the 50th Anniversary of ‘Slaughterhouse-Five’

On  March 21, 2019

"DRESDEN, Germany — Last month, 74 years to the day since the bombers came, the late winter sky was gray as German tour guide Danilo Hommel called a halt before a short, dark green door in a large terracotta-roofed building that today forms part of an events and conference complex. One among several structures like it are laid out in neat rows in a bend of Germany’s River Elbe, two miles from Dresden’s historically reconstructed center."

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