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Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 1:46am

"Do I buy it? Not necessarily"

Gary, I have access to the same web pages you do and in most cases have read much of what you have. Speculation is nice, it provides us with an opportunity to use our imagination constructively but if we base opinions on speculation we are living a fantasy, not reality, PRECISELY why you typed the words above. You're an intelligent observer.

I've been retired for almost 6 years and I spend all day every day right here reading, web pages, PDF's and downloadable books. I even use the archaic library, those buildings that hold those old fashioned and outdated things with paper pages called books.

Reading happens to be my hobby.

I've read enough about Skull & Bones to know that people that fantasize about things related to it are doing just that. Those references are there specifically to navigate people away from reality and absorb their time with worthless drivel, much like Bohemian Grove and references to the Mayan calendar, which unlike some believe, does not end in 2012.

These people of the NWO are Capitalists, extreme Capitalists whose philosophies are based on profit and power, not Lucifer or fantasy. They are some of the most well educated people on the planet in law, politics, science, math and philosophy, among other subjects. Until people get off of these weird science trips they will continue to expand their profits and their power, just as they're doing right now.

I'd be glad to discuss Sumeria, aliens, tablets, language, Egyptian carvings of people wearing glass helmets and any number of speculative subjects but my opinions are based on verifiable evidence.

The NEW WORLD ORDER just virtually destroyed Sumeria and Mesopotamia based on evidence at the BRussels Tribunal web site. There's a downloadable PDF with photographic evidence of the vast destruction. 1000s of tablets yet to be deciphered gone. Why? Well, we don't know do we? A vast conspiracy? Perhaps.

What if the now missing presumed destroyed tablets at Sumeria prove that the basis for all religion is false, as I believe, and revealing that would eliminate the need for social systems to be based on religious beliefs, as I believe, which would eliminate the vast control the NWO has over the masses? Well they wouldn't want us to find that out now, would they? Religion a hoax? I doubt that revelation would be beneficial to the NWO, would it Gary?

Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 1:29am

Iserbyt is correct, as you know, which I think explains some of the commentary on this web site. Not yours, because I find you willing to entertain an intellectual dialogue and use evidence to support your conclusions. Iserbyt couldn't be wrong, she used an historic evidentiary account to support her conclusions. Can't argue with historic evidence.

I'm the one that first referenced the book to you on your web site several days ago. Why would I do that if I didn't feel confident the book presented a wealth of valid information?

Science education I don't think is an accurate term. How about the complete lack of anything resembling science in education? How about the lack of a foundational understanding of math? How about a complete lack of philosophy, art, music and appreciation for the humanities? Because that's what Iserbyt reveals. In fact within the first 50 pages she reveals, by quote, the notion that the "new" math was specifically designed to create students whose understanding of math was so poor that they were unable to function within society. Try asking someone on this web site to determine whether a function is odd, even or neither or to compute the value of a function or determine the area of a triangle. You're speaking a foreign language.

CERN on the other hand is nothing new, we've had a variety of various colliders for a long time now.

I don't put any value into astronauts posing with a Masonic flag since the picture was composed for the book cover and astronauts never posed on the moon with a Masonic flag, that I know of.

I downloaded the Dark Misson PDF and will read it when time becomes available in a few days or so.

Still, it's unlikely I'm going to find evidence of devious plans surrounding CERN or the moon landings. Regarding the moon landings perhaps the elite are planning to abandon earth at some future date which is an idea I'd have to agree will eventually have merit. We're polluting this planet so much so that it will one day resemble nothing less then a human death star of various man-made chemical compounds. I'd leave too if I could.

Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 12:57am

Intellect not being an available resource is one of the reasons I now spend the vast majority of my time elsewhere and in fact, I now find myself making a difference, as opposed to spending time here, which has been ineffective.

Today, hundreds of us made a difference by swaying public opinion in the comment section of a mainstream media internet site by commenting and checking the Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down entries on a post about the Israeli Palestine conflict. Better then arguing the fantastic conspiracy theories behind CERN, a comprehensive scientific investigative tool that only the dumbed down masses would see as something else, just like the moon landings. Prove you're position, with evidence, not pictures of books.

Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 12:51am

There are people that believe the elite get together on Sunday evening and worship Lucifer too. Another theory incapable of holding water unless you use unproven obscure web sites that lack integrity.


Of course there are people that believe everything on the internet too, because it's there. Might as well watch television if that's the case. What makes people think the internet is any LESS infiltrated then the mainstream? There's as much or more garbage here as in the mainstream and it's up to the observer to discern truth from fiction.

Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 12:48am

Gee Gary, the secret history of NASA. Interesting. So I'm to read a book you referenced to understand your position? Why not explain it because I find the moon exploration wholly innocuous.

Comment by Jeff on April 2, 2010 at 12:46am

So explain in layman's terms what was devious about the moon landing efforts and how CERN is attached to the NWO. While you're at it please explain the connection CERN has to the NWO and Internet 2, because the mention of Tier 2 countries has nothing to do with Internet 2 unless one takes a leap of, er, faith.

Gary, I've read Iserbyt's book twice, well almost twice since I picked it up again a few days ago. Her historic synopsis relates closely to the comments here, which lack an understanding of scientific investigation, for obvious reasons. Of course when someone questions logic the obvious argument is, "you know everything," or, "argue with someone else," since it exposes the heart of the argument, which is that the argument stands on nothing foundational.

Someone needs to explain the connection CERN has to anything devious, because I don't see it. I don't see a connection to the moon landing either.

Naturally when someone disagrees with wild conspiracy theories the argument turns to hate rather then intellectual discussion which isn't possible when intellect isn't an available resource.

Comment by illuminated-dj on April 1, 2010 at 5:58pm

aye jeff,and you think the governments are goona let brilliant people bring "positive steps" to mankind.jeff,it's its not the 60's anymore,scientists dont run about with flowers in their hair smoking reefers!

Comment by Jeff on April 1, 2010 at 5:51pm

What exactly do you mean?

Comment by Jeff on April 1, 2010 at 5:23pm

Greg, that doesn't sound anything like Internet 2 to me and I promise, CERN has nothing to do with the dumbing down of humanity or the NWO even if they have a relationship of some kind with UNESCO. CERN is a positive step for mankind very similar to other major scientific undertakings except it's one of the largest, on the scale of the attempt to land on the moon during the mid to late 1960s. There's nothing spooky about CERN. It's a group of brilliant people performing brilliant experiments almost all related to particle physics and string theory.

I don't think you would have, in 1965 for instance, found anything devious about the US being involved in an attempt to land the first man on the moon and CERN isn't any different.

Comment by Jeff on April 1, 2010 at 5:11pm

OK, I'll agree with, "Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world," except that pure logical thinking combined with reasoning is what allows us to design hypotheses and then prove them, such as the theories of relativity or gravity which had to be first hypothesized and then proven and once proven accepted as reality.

So, we just might prove the existence of tachyons and other hypothesized particles with CERN and make certain people look like fools and others like masters of the universe and until we successfully disprove their existence I prefer to think they might exist and then they might not. The math say they might and the proof will be in the proverbial pudding collision.

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