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Comment by Jeff on October 21, 2010 at 7:02pm
It's probably better that the remainder of my comment didn't post. To be fair, this web site, 12.160 has great value and I support it.
Comment by Jeff on October 21, 2010 at 6:58pm
Greg, that Facebook might be no less formidable, relevant and cohesive then 12.160 with far more intellectually inclined and well educated adults who are active participants in major sociopolitical movements seems to be lost on you. That's OK. Just remember that G. Edward Griffin and myself have conversations there that you're not a party to.

Consider, when people make fun of something it's generally the result of jealousy, a lack of understanding or adequate first-hand knowledge (I've spent 6 months there), or even fear.

I have not a thing bad to say about 12.160. This is a GREAT web site. I've always loved it and respected it.

Facebook is no less valuable then 12.160. Both web sites have extraordinary reach. Both provide foundational support and infrastructure for web based activists like you Greg, and like myself. Both provide for a large audience of interested and intelligent adult professionals.

Because you haven't seriously examined Facebook by spending 6 months there, posting 600+ editorials and then exchanging commentary with the hundreds of people that request a connection with you based on your essays, you really have no ground to stand on Greg. You might look like you have an intelligent perspective to those here that haven't given 6 months of their best effort to test the site, but you'll look seriously biased to anyone who has.

I spent the day here today, all day, looking around. There are differences between 12.160 and Facebook. Distinct differences.

To begin with the same 20-25 people that were regularly active on 12.160 are still the regularly active crew as far as essay posts go.

There are many 1000s of people active in the groups I belong to on Facebook at any moment. Many 1000s. I can actually have conversations with English speaking professionals in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Japan, Kuwait, Dubai, Turkey, Malaysia, Philippines and numerous other countries and I do, every day. We exchange views in comment boxes and private emails and I have, of 2800+ connections, perhaps as many as 200-300 that are pretty regularly active and 50-100 that are extremely active and who I know very well.

Facebook has a larger and broader group.
Facebook has far more radical activists.
Facebook has far more professionals.
Facebook activists are far more committed.

We have:

The RNC 8 Facebook pages
The Gaza Flotilla pages
The anti-HFCS pages
The End The Fed pages
The anti-G20 pages
The anti-GMO pages
The anti-chemtrail pages
The anti-Vaccine pages

On and on.

And all of these pages are managed by the global activists associated with these issues. Greg, the very people YOU write about are active on Facebook. The people who write the essays you post from Greg are active on Facebook, not 12.160, for a reason. Many of the authors you quote from have active Facebook pages but not 12.160 pages Greg. Facebook is global. There are MILLIONS of users and a great number of them are far more active and far more committed then 12.160 members. Facebook members are running for local office, active in organizing protests around the world for various causes and issues, and there are so many more of us then 12.160 members by many magnitudes that we can actually have an impact.

Our anti-HFCS group has over 85,000 members and is the largest national group against HFCS in the US.

Our boycott coca cola group is two years old and has 1,460 members but it's active and growing.

People typically laugh at that which they have no knowledge of, or they never stop to consider that the same entity that lied to them about 911 is the same entity that's telling them Facebook is for dummies.

Maybe if they're lying about 911 they're lying about Facebook too?

I've spent 6 months on Facebook. I have 2800+ active connections to people involved with the Gaza Flotilla, people actually on it, active connections to people involved in the activist community with almost every issue we've ever discussed on 12.160 Greg.

The truth is, Facebook is the
Comment by Jeff on October 21, 2010 at 12:12am
Facebook, to be fair, has allowed me to make far deeper and more meaningful relationships with a greater number of and more diversified group of professional adult activists.
Comment by TheLasersShadow on October 21, 2010 at 12:03am
Don't use facebook as its useless to me not because of privacy issues. Any one complaining about privacy when you volunteered the information willingly to them and the rest of the world is a not being logical.
Comment by Jeff on October 20, 2010 at 10:58pm
No, Ning is not as corrupted as Facebook BUT we HAVE to define corrupt and lets do that. Ning and Facebook are equally surreptitiously observed by the government in my opinion so if you're worried about the government you should be, they're vacuuming up comments, email and posts wherever they choose on both Ning and Facebook and everywhere else.

However Facebook does get minor hacks from time to time, all easily recognizable for experienced users. For example, you might get an email message or a chat might open that says, "Jeff Prager got a free iPod at but it doesn't take long to recognize these things.
Comment by XhackedbyNSA on October 20, 2010 at 9:56pm
Is NING as corrupted as 'Faceboog'?
Comment by Jeff on October 20, 2010 at 8:17pm
equally important to their members, for good reason! Both 12.160 and Facebook rock!
Comment by Jeff on October 20, 2010 at 8:14pm
Hi James,

I agree with the statement you make below with a significant caveat. A very critical one.

The mainstream assessment you've provided is accurate for a significant segment of Facebook users.

However, there is an equally significant and equally as large population of militant activists committed to activity against the Fed, war, fiat money, the NWO, GMO foods, preservatives, additives, vaccines, chemtrails and everything we discuss here on 12.160.

The segment of the Facebook population you point out plays Mafia Wars or Farmville and checks in with friends and family. Generally "social network" stuff.

The segment I interact with, and the over 2,800 connections I've made in just 6 months actively posts video, photo album and essay web content and we comment in real time, sometimes and quite often with between 400 and 1000 comments on a post in as little as 4 or 5 hours. The commentary is lively and quick and very much like real conversation and sometimes lasts for several days. No different then here except that at any one time 1000s of people might be participating. A post I wrote last week on Mechanically Separated Chicken generated 850 comments in 72 hours among over 350 different people.

What I like about Facebook is that I'm not preaching to the choir. I've received personal emails, a dozen in 6 months, from right wing Republican Conservatives that wanted more information on 911 and thanked me for the material I've posted. As a writer I can reach far more people that, as we here on 12.160 say, "are asleep," and that's surely my mission and intention.

I've also managed to pique the curiosity of fervent supporters of Israel with posts about Naeim Giladi and others, creating a dialogue where these people now consider the Palestinian cause from a different angle and are actually questioning the Zionist history they've been indoctrinated with.

By posting essays on Charlotte Iserbyt I've been able to enter into discussions with people that never before entertained social psychology as it's employed by government entities and who now question the world around them where before they may not have been so discerning.

By using the peer reviewed evidence related to the synergy of Testosterone, Estrogen and Ethyl Mercury I've been able to get through to several Pro-vaccine individuals who simply haven't performed the research that I have.

12.160 serves a wonderful and necessary purpose and it's a web site I proudly contributed both essays I authored and material I felt was relevant that was copy and pasted from other sites. If I remember correctly I contributed well over 1,000 essay posts although I deleted many and numerous videos such as this one. I actively participated here, always with good intentions and always with one general theme in mind, the truth.

On Facebook I'm connected to people like Coleen Rowley, the FBI whistle blower, Ken O'Keefe who you must know, numerous national "We Are Change" groups promoting that 911 was an inside job, Norman Finkelstein, the Pro-Palestinian Jewish activist, George FourTitle and 100s of other well known people whose names just escape me now.

One of the things I like in particular is that Facebook allows me to connect with far more people from across the globe; people from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, Argentina, Venezuela, Turkey and many, many other countries and although admittedly 12.160 has a great share of foreign members Facebook has a greater number by magnitudes.

My connections are committed activists, on-line every day, all day, searching the internet on their various causes, posting material and engaging in lively intellectual debate. They don't play farmville, they don't count their friends and they have an agenda and strategy identical in every way to those committed activists on this web site, 12.160.

Each site, 12.160 and Facebook, have enormous civilian value. Enormous. Both web sites are equally necessary, equally important to thei
Comment by truth on September 10, 2010 at 1:41pm
Facebook users 'are insecure, narcissistic and have low self-esteem'

Using Facebook is the online equivalent of staring at yourself in the mirror, according to a study.

Those who spent more time updating their profile on the social networking site were more likely to be narcissists, said researchers.

Facebook provides an ideal setting for narcissists to monitor their appearance and how many ‘friends’ they have, the study said, as it allows them to thrive on ‘shallow’ relationships while avoiding genuine warmth and empathy.

Comment by Jeff on April 27, 2010 at 1:58am
That made me laugh out loud...

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