Juliette Jowit

 

The climate secretary, Ed Miliband, last night warned of the danger of a public backlash against the science of global warming in the face of continuing claims that experts have manipulated data.

 

In an exclusive interview with the Observer, Miliband spoke out for the first time about last month's revelations that climate scientists had withheld and covered up information and the apology made by the influential UN climate body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which admitted it had exaggerated claims about the melting of Himalayan glaciers.

 

The perceived failure of global talks on combating climate change in Copenhagen last month has also been blamed for undermining public support. But in the government's first high-level recognition of the growing pressure on public opinion, Miliband declared a "battle" against the "siren voices" who denied global warming was real or caused by humans, or that there was a need to cut carbon emissions to tackle it.

 

"It's right that there's rigour applied to all the reports about climate change, but I think it would be wrong that when a mistake is made it's somehow used to undermine the overwhelming picture that's there," he said.

 

"We know there's a physical effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere leading to higher temperatures, that's a question of physics; we know CO2 concentrations are at their highest for 6,000 years; we know there are observed increases in temperatures; and we know there are observed effects that point to the existence of human-made climate change. That's what the vast majority of scientists tell us."

 

Mistakes and attempts to hide contradictory data had to be seen in the light of the thousands of pages of evidence in the IPCC's four-volume report in 2007, said Miliband. The most recent accusation about the panel's work is that its chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, may have known before the Copenhagen summit that its assessment report had seriously exaggerated the rate of melting of the Himalayan glaciers.

 

However, Miliband was adamant that the IPCC was on the right track. "It's worth saying that no doubt when the next report comes out it will suggest there have been areas where things have been happening more dramatically than the 2007 report implied," he said.

 

The danger of climate scepticism was that it would undermine public support for unpopular decisions needed to curb carbon emissions, including the likelihood of higher energy bills for households, and issues such as the visual impact of wind turbines, said Miliband, who is also energy secretary.

 

If the UK did not invest in renewable, clean energy, it would lose jobs and investment to other countries, have less energy security because of the dependence on oil and gas imports and contribute to damaging temperature rises for future generations. "There are a whole variety of people who are sceptical, but who they are is less important than what they are saying, and what they are saying is profoundly dangerous," he said. "Every­thing we know about life is that we should obey the precautionary principle; to take what the sceptics say seriously would be a profound risk."

 

The Copenhagen conference in December ended with no formal agreement to make deep cuts in global emissions, or even set a timetable, but Miliband warned activists against "despair".

 

The UN conference was a "disappointment", he said, but there were important achievements, including the agreement by countries responsible for 80% of emissions to set domestic carbon targets by today. "There's a message for people who take these things seriously: don't mourn, organise," said Miliband, who has previously called for a Make Poverty History-style mass public campaign to pressure politicians into cutting emissions.

 

Lord Smith, the Environment Agency chairman, said: "The [Himalayan] glaciers may not melt by 2035, but they are melting and there's a serious problem that's going to affect substantial parts of Asia over the course of the next 100 or more years."

 

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Yep, Tara. They use these little talking points to premise their policies around what I perceive to be their "god" self-perception. "Hey, everyone. Global warming. Humans bad- 'nature' good." They use it for more control, to tighten their grip and regulate. The globalists see humanity as an infestation, when in actuality it is they who are the cockroaches.

I personally fall into a "group" outside the established "pro" and "anti" global warming crowd. You may have heard this before, but I personally do believe global warming is a fact. Earth really is warming. But so are other planets in our solar system, most notably Mars. We are planet 3. Mars is #4 - further from the sun than we are. Hmm. The controlled news media will never give airtime to facts though.

When you factor in that The Destroyer (Nibiru) is scheduled to return to our vicinity very soon, it is inevitable. Climate change and destruction are on their way and will happen. That's ironic in a way. Moses and our people went through it anciently while in slavery (the plagues, read all about it in Exodus). Here we are again in slavery (though not perceived by most), The Destroyer is on its way again.
It's a little more complicated than that Randy. Climate change is a reality. CO2 plays a role in that change.

What's simply unacceptable is the global call for carbon credits to battle a problem we're scientifically unable to come to clear terms on since we're not yet able to control weather or any part of nature for that matter. Besides, carbon credits allow continued and even greater pollution and they enrich the few at the expense of the many. It's carbon credits that are the fraud and too few people discuss this aspect.

Nibiru is an unproven factually vacant hypothesis and quite frankly the actual facts speak more towards the fraudulent nature of the claim to its existence than its actual existence.

Global warming and cooling are events supported by factual data. Whether we're in a global warming or global cooling phase or cycle hasn't been adequately ascertained by science just yet. There is still a great deal of disagreement in terms of what's really happening.

"The destroyer is on its way again" I have always wondered why people enjoy entertaining apocalypse. Armageddon in the 21st century is as likely as pigs flying.
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence (that means factual data), deduction, and logic, it should be kept.

If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place.

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