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Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 18, 2016 at 5:45pm

They secretly "suspended" the 2nd (and all the rest) when DC became a corporation with no bill of rights in 1871.  When We register to vote, We claim to be "citizens" of that corporation, which means We give up Our sovereignty to the corporation, that may then do as it pleases with Us.  The only reason that it has not just disarmed Us is that there are many more of Us than Them.  It would get messy.

Much better to get Us to disarm willingly because They manufactured a reason (problem), guided the reaction, and a "law" is the solution.  Now, what if We all did NOT consent to that way of doing things?  We have tech that would allow systems the founding Individuals (however pure the intent They had) could even dream of.  And there are many more of Us...

Time runs out if We take the numerology They use into account - I mean, They use it, that much is clear, and I'm thinking that whether or not I think there's something to it, that THEY do is something best accounted for.  And things are looking bad for 11-26-16.

Enough of Us had better have removed consent from Their systems by then that the war does not happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnCW_It55U

Permalink Reply by DTOM on June 19, 2016 at 8:41am

Oh I totally agree.

The PTB began overtly demonstrating this with the creation of the BATF(E) and the unconstitutional NFA 34, GCA 68, FOPA 86, 90's AWB / HICAP mag ban and the incremental changes that Fed and State has pushed since then.

More people are awakening everyday -  the more the PTB do to seek the disarmament of the American people, the more obvious their lies, tricks, scams and false flags are.

This is why it's vital to watch their game - move and (our) counter move - when the PTB find themselves in position where they think they will lose, we have a manufactured shooting.

This in turn causes more people to get armed - and such it goes on...

If anything extreme is initiated it will be by the PTB, their minions (and their autonomous weapons systems - that the American people have paid for) - because the PTB will decide they have nothing to lose by going full on.

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 19, 2016 at 10:05am

What if We all withdrew consent and ignored that system?  What if We all said, when confronted by One who thinks They have "authority" over Us, "I will happily comply IF You prove I am subject.  I expect not to be bullied into compliance as all THAT proves is that Some can be bullies."

Permalink Reply by DTOM on June 19, 2016 at 10:24am

Bullies and tyrant still seek to impose their implied 'authority' and control over others by violence and force.

Concepts such a 'divine right to rule' were specifically created as a justification for this implied 'authority'.

Now any 'un-elected' and 'unaccountable' body that emerges out of the corrupt system can declare its official 'authority' and few challenge it.

Even now, if the system became overtly violent and controlling on a level mirroring the great tyrannies of the 20th century, there would still be a large amount of the population who would STILL 'believe' in government / authority over those that resisted / opted out.

We can only hope that enough people awaken to declare the authority and its claim on our sovereignty void - but it is difficult enough to convince some people that they ARE sovereign beings - the 'all rights have limits' propaganda that is being pushed 24/7 isn't helping this.

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 19, 2016 at 1:32pm

I grasp that We see turmoil, but in what I propose, there is no "unelected" or "unaccountable" body, but stigmergic emergence of the underlying structure of Ethics, as Individuals take Ethical responsibility for Each, One's own choices of behavior.  When the bulk of Us are judging One anOther on Ethical standards, any creating problems (behaving unEthically) will be effectively surrounded by Ones that would see Ethics maintained. 

Permalink Reply by DTOM on June 19, 2016 at 5:01pm

I'm not judging anyone, like most freedom minded folks, I try to mind my own damn business.

But when others in society ARE seeking to impose their control system / beliefs on you against your will, and then are happy to advocate censorship, changes in law and ultimately violent force towards those that want no part of it, we have a big problem.

Societies are dependent on mutual respect - without this they will collapse.

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 20, 2016 at 9:45am

Agreed.  At least societies have Ethics as a basis.  And surely We are all judges of Ethics.  We all can tell when One is hurting the flesh or killing anOther willfully and without fully informed consent.  We all can tell whether One is taking or damaging anOther's property/property that is not Theirs alone without fully informed consent.  And We all can tell when One has defrauded anOther (if We have enough data).  And if all solutions are held within these three constraints, the best solutions will emerge.

I only judge Others by Their behavior and against these three Laws.  If Their behavior is Ethical, no matter how dumb, silly, absurd, or whatever, I judge no further.  Just shrug and let it be.

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 19, 2016 at 1:44pm

And, yes.  "God-given" rights have limits.  Pffft.  The propaganda is thick.

Permalink Reply by DTOM on June 19, 2016 at 5:04pm

Permalink Reply by Amaterasu Solar on June 20, 2016 at 9:36am

Some mighty confused kids there, tell Ya what.