Gun Sales: Will The "Loophole" Close? - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/09/60minutes/main4931769.shtml
(CBS) Just in the last four weeks, there have been at least eight separate deadly shooting sprees all across the country. Some of this can be linked to the recession since several of the gunmen had lost their jobs.
The recession is having an effect in another surprising way: in past downturns, people stocked up on things like canned soups. But this time, it's guns.
Even as the stock market has plummeted, shares in Smith & Wesson have nearly quadrupled since November, and sales of guns are going through the roof.
When 60 Minutes and correspondent Lesley Stahl showed up at the weekend gun show in Richmond, Va., the line to get in went around the building.
"How many guns will be sold at a show like this over a weekend like this?" Stahl asked Philip Van Cleave, the president of Virginia's largest gun-rights group.
"Probably thousands," he estimated.
Van Cleave took 60 Minutes on a tour inside a world that's part arms bazaar, part "Antiques Road Show." And while the memorabilia may not be to everyone's liking - when it came to firearms - there was a perfect gun for every taste.
"They actually made guns in colors. Lot of women like pink guns," Van Cleave told Stahl. "The good thing about a pink gun is a man will never steal it from you."
You could tell gun sales are up because all around the 60 Minutes team, dealers and customers at the show were busy filling out the paperwork needed for FBI background checks. Since November, the number of background checks nationally has jumped over 30 percent compared to last year.
Asked if prices are going up, Van Cleave said, "Yeah, the prices have gone up. In fact a rifle like this, which is $700, probably a year ago would have been about half of that."
One reason, he says, people are willing to dole out the cash during this financial meltdown - is the financial meltdown.
"We're being told all the time that, 'Oh, boy. The economy could just collapse. And we could fall into chaos.' Well, chaos is a good reason to be able to protect yourself," Van Cleave said.
"And this is what are in people's minds and driving them into these shows and gun stores?" Stahl asked.
"It's a form of insurance policy," Van Cleave said. "You could imagine if we truly had a collapse of the economy and it was hard to find food, those that did manage to hang onto food might find themselves in a precarious position."
But the bigger reason for this gun rush is best summed up by one gun show commercial: "Buy! Sell! Trade up and cash in! Celebrate the Second Amendment and get your guns while you still can!"
"While you still can" is code for "Barack Obama wants to take your guns away and re-impose the ban on assault weapons."
"President Obama, when he was a senator in Illinois, pushed for every gun ban he could," Van Cleave claimed.
"I actually heard that ammo was going quickly because people are afraid he’s gonna increase taxes on ammunition," Stahl said.
"That's another possibility," Van Cleave said. "Certainly, a gun wouldn't be any good without ammunition."
People are stockpiling bullets. Three hours into the show, empty stock trays piled several feet high. Fear of Obama has actually created a national ammo shortage.
Asked if the gun lobby is whipping up these fears, Van Cleave told Stahl, "I don't know. I don't think so. I think the elections took care of that themselves."
The number of FBI background checks does not reflect all the gun sales, because of something called "the loophole." In Virginia and more than 30 other states, people who aren't gun dealers can sell firearms at gun shows without conducting background checks.
Actually, these private sellers can peddle their guns anywhere: at shows, in their private homes, or out of their cars.
Stahl met Gerald Massengill, the former police superintendent of Virginia, in the parking lot of the gun show. He showed her license plates from up and down the East Coast.
He told Stahl that people come to shows like the one in Virginia because that's where guns are easier to buy.
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(CBS) Just in the last four weeks, there have been at least eight separate deadly shooting sprees all across the country. Some of this can be linked to the recession since several of the gunmen had lost their jobs.
The recession is having an effect in another surprising way: in past downturns, people stocked up on things like canned soups. But this time, it's guns.
Even as the stock market has plummeted, shares in Smith & Wesson have nearly quadrupled since November, and sales of guns are going through the roof.
When 60 Minutes and correspondent Lesley Stahl showed up at the weekend gun show in Richmond, Va., the line to get in went around the building.
"How many guns will be sold at a show like this over a weekend like this?" Stahl asked Philip Van Cleave, the president of Virginia's largest gun-rights group.
"Probably thousands," he estimated.
Van Cleave took 60 Minutes on a tour inside a world that's part arms bazaar, part "Antiques Road Show." And while the memorabilia may not be to everyone's liking - when it came to firearms - there was a perfect gun for every taste.
"They actually made guns in colors. Lot of women like pink guns," Van Cleave told Stahl. "The good thing about a pink gun is a man will never steal it from you."
You could tell gun sales are up because all around the 60 Minutes team, dealers and customers at the show were busy filling out the paperwork needed for FBI background checks. Since November, the number of background checks nationally has jumped over 30 percent compared to last year.
Asked if prices are going up, Van Cleave said, "Yeah, the prices have gone up. In fact a rifle like this, which is $700, probably a year ago would have been about half of that."
One reason, he says, people are willing to dole out the cash during this financial meltdown - is the financial meltdown.
"We're being told all the time that, 'Oh, boy. The economy could just collapse. And we could fall into chaos.' Well, chaos is a good reason to be able to protect yourself," Van Cleave said.
"And this is what are in people's minds and driving them into these shows and gun stores?" Stahl asked.
"It's a form of insurance policy," Van Cleave said. "You could imagine if we truly had a collapse of the economy and it was hard to find food, those that did manage to hang onto food might find themselves in a precarious position."
But the bigger reason for this gun rush is best summed up by one gun show commercial: "Buy! Sell! Trade up and cash in! Celebrate the Second Amendment and get your guns while you still can!"
"While you still can" is code for "Barack Obama wants to take your guns away and re-impose the ban on assault weapons."
"President Obama, when he was a senator in Illinois, pushed for every gun ban he could," Van Cleave claimed.
"I actually heard that ammo was going quickly because people are afraid he’s gonna increase taxes on ammunition," Stahl said.
"That's another possibility," Van Cleave said. "Certainly, a gun wouldn't be any good without ammunition."
People are stockpiling bullets. Three hours into the show, empty stock trays piled several feet high. Fear of Obama has actually created a national ammo shortage.
Asked if the gun lobby is whipping up these fears, Van Cleave told Stahl, "I don't know. I don't think so. I think the elections took care of that themselves."
The number of FBI background checks does not reflect all the gun sales, because of something called "the loophole." In Virginia and more than 30 other states, people who aren't gun dealers can sell firearms at gun shows without conducting background checks.
Actually, these private sellers can peddle their guns anywhere: at shows, in their private homes, or out of their cars.
Stahl met Gerald Massengill, the former police superintendent of Virginia, in the parking lot of the gun show. He showed her license plates from up and down the East Coast.
He told Stahl that people come to shows like the one in Virginia because that's where guns are easier to buy.
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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on
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loophole = freedom
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Permalink Reply by whatawonderfulworldJethroClampet on
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really? freedom to be shot by a criminal a severe crazy or illegal who has bought a gun?
i like the kennsaw georgia laws and the swiss laws but isnt this gun show no check stuff wacko?
this is having a "well regulated militia " -?to allow criminals to buy guns?
the guys back in 1776 i bet took guns away from the enemy and those they thought were too criminal too i bet
jefferson davis i think took away hand guns at one time -not that im for that
at least in one town-i think i read that in some bookmaybe by clement wood
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Good to see the illogical anti-american gun grabbing ADL Handgun Inc. Representative (whether connected or not) is back spewing the most retarded garbage possible. Comments like this "the guys back in 1776 i bet took guns away from the enemy and those they thought were too criminal too i bet" is wrong they allowed criminals to own guns and they deported the enemy or hung them. Good thing we have grown up since then and only ridicule people. You obviously argue from an emotional MSM state and nothing any one tells you however factual will change your mind. I suggest buying a one way ticket to the UK where you can happily be disarmed and charged with murder if you defend yourself from a criminal that breaks into your home.
I can make a call and in a day or today I can have a full auto AK-47 in my hands free and clear. This loophole argument is about the stupidest shit I have ever heard and works on people who don't know how the criminal element operate. I'll bet you think that the same drug dealers bringing in TONS of coke wouldn't bring in highly profitable full autos in that same load of drugs.... Get a clue criminals don't follow laws PERIOD. You have no idea what your talking about NONE.
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reeeally??!!i know nothing?/!!
i wonder if people in kennesaw georgia where they make them by law own a gun ,the same people, some ,want to regulate gun shows?
im also part american indian so yes ,your whigs did drive us off the land by genocide
canada tories kept most treaties
im not a person against owning guns ,so dont get that idea either
now i wonder what indian tribes do-they they keep guns from theire few crazy criminal members -there are some bad ones i guess
TheLasersShadow said:Good to see the illogical anti-american gun grabbing ADL Handgun Inc. Representative (whether connected or not) is back spewing the most retarded garbage possible. Comments like this "the guys back in 1776 i bet took guns away from the enemy and those they thought were too criminal too i bet" is wrong they allowed criminals to own guns and they deported the enemy or hung them. Good thing we have grown up since then and only ridicule people. You obviously argue from an emotional MSM state and nothing any one tells you however factual will change your mind. I suggest buying a one way ticket to the UK where you can happily be disarmed and charged with murder if you defend yourself from a criminal that breaks into your home.
I can make a call and in a day or today I can have a full auto AK-47 in my hands free and clear. This loophole argument is about the stupidest shit I have ever heard and works on people who don't know how the criminal element operate. I'll bet you think that the same drug dealers bringing in TONS of coke wouldn't bring in highly profitable full autos in that same load of drugs.... Get a clue criminals don't follow laws PERIOD. You have no idea what your talking about NONE.
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no one else here has an opinion?
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Enlighten me on how the crime rate in kennesaw georgia changed from before the law to after the law...? You won't will you because that doesn't fit your paradigm.
Crime dropped off the chart after the law passed, no one ever breaks into homes in kennesaw georgia because they know theres a very good chance they will die if they try.
Criminals already have guns, seriously they do. I've seen back rooms filled with handguns some for as little as $50, no questions asked. Lot of them could be stolen lot of them could be bought years ago. Do you know how easy it is to make a handgun? look it up a high school metal shop is over qualified to make 1911's or break style double barrel shotguns. Never mind you don't understand what i'm telling you.
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i said i like the kennesaw law so apparately you didnt read my post but just glossed over it
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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4835
then theres that link
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ShareThis"Close the gun show loophole," demands Handgun Control, Inc. The major obstacle to Congress's complying with HCI's wishes appears to be the desire of many Democrats to preserve gun shows as a campaign issue in the 2000 election. But if the voters learn the facts about gun shows, they will discover that there is no gun show loophole, no gun show crime problem and no reason to adopt federal legislation whose main effect would be to infringe on First and Second Amendment rights.
Despite what some media commentators have claimed, existing gun laws apply just as much to gun shows as they do to any other place where guns are sold. Since 1938, persons selling firearms have been required to obtain a federal firearms license. If a dealer sells a gun from a storefront, from a room in his home or from a table at a gun show, the rules are exactly the same: he can get authorization from the FBI for the sale only after the FBI runs its "instant" background check (which often takes days to complete). As a result, firearms are the most severely regulated consumer product in the United States -- the only product for which FBI permission is required for every single sale.
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal
i see THE PRISON PLANET SITE HAS DELETED MY POST THERE ON GUNS
WHAT ASSHOLES THEY ARE THERE
SO THEY COULDNT FIND THIS CATO LINK ? BUT I COULD?
THRYRE ALL FUCKHEADS
IM THROUGH LISTENING TO JONES
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your hard to understand in your sentence about Ga.
ok you don't like jones... fine
i just hope you understand that there is no loophole. what they want to shut down is private sales = person to person sales. they want you to have an FFL to sell your weapons / track and trace every sale. i guess you like the government and their big brother control over you ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O'Donnell#Gun_control_controversies
jones had rosie O'Donnell on show about 911 but she can be a raving liberal thats ok but they delete my post
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Is this about Jones or Guns? Rosie is just some woman that is into 911 truth we can't stop who wants to speak out about it. She has problems thats for sure but she did a good enough job getting the info out correctly and making the media notice it.
whatawonderfulworldinc said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O'Donnell#Gun_control_controversies
jones had rosie O'Donnell on show about 911 but she can be a raving liberal thats ok but they delete my post
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alex jones seems to know a lot of history and stuff but i think he exaggerates
i guess he is a nice man and harmless and he believes in the constitution which is good
his views on the queen of uk i find wrong -i cant believe that
i dont believe everything i hear
Jones and i are both part Cherokee Indian i think
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