Identifying and Detecting Cognitive Infiltration
Cass Suntein, President Obama's regulatory czar, recommended "cognitive infiltration of extremist groups."
I have news for you, this has been happening for at least 6 years on the web, perhaps longer. My experience on message boards is perhaps more extensive than any other truth seeker. If we 9-11 truth seekers are "extremists", how do we detect infiltrators if they are present?
I've learned how this is done. It is actually something junior high school debate teams could achieve easily once the parameters are understood. Just like by the very nature of what the "cognitive infiltrators" have to work with is about on the same level.
I have had a huge advantage here because I actually know exactly, in general terms, how the Twin Towers were constructed. I viewed a 2 hour documentary in 1990 titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" that aired nationwide on PBS. I work in construction, have been a welder for 35 years and have also worked as a driller for a blaster on "above ground" blasting projects for road building. I almost attempted to gain the OJT needed to get my BATF blasting license, then decided construction was waning generally.
That advantage is having accurate information about the Twins that can be used to test a group with for infiltrators. My information is absolutely consistent with all evidence. Any one who is in construction knowing of steel and concrete can confirm this consistency.
The average truth seeker is at a major disadvantage because they do not know what is correct or not correct. If they know construction they can determine what is correct once they see it, but before that they do not know.
What I encountered was made a little more difficult because no one had come out and said, like Sunstein, that infiltration's were recommended. I had to determine by behaviors what constituted "cognitive" or exactly how the term was applied to a specific "infiltration". How it was carried out by whomever might be doing it, what it looked like.
Another aspect of the infiltration that was not readily obvious, but became so fairly quickly, was that the infiltration utilized social fears. These are the primary tools of the infiltrators.
A) Ridicule
B) False agreement
C) Social castigation
A more sophisticated and generically related tool is "cognitive distortions". Behavioral psychologists have a list of these that they use in defining when and where therapy needs to be applied to correct erroneous thinking in a patient. Erroneous thinking can, over periods of time, cause people to alienate themselves from others and interfere with the life experience significantly. Here is a list that has been slightly modified to more easily show how it can be applied by others in writing or speaking to distort your perceptions and thoughts.
1) All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories.
2) Over generalization: Single event is viewed as continuous.
3) Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.
4) Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.
5) Mind reading: One absolutely concludes that others are reacting positively or negatively without investigating reality.
6) Fortune Telling: Based on previous 5 distortions, anticipation of negative or positive outcome of situations is established fact.
7) Catastrophizing: Exaggerated importance of self's failures and others successes.
8) Emotional reasoning: One feels as though emotional state IS reality of situation.
9) Should" statements: Self imposed rules about behavior creating guilt at self inability to adhere and anger at others in their inability to conform to self's rules.
10) Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.
11) Personalization: Thinking that the actions or statements of others are a reaction to you.
12) Entitlement: Believing that you deserve things you have not earned.
The real power of the above can be understood when it is realized that this "infiltration" is always by one group of another group. Individuals do not infiltrate discussion groups easily or effectively unless everyone thinks the infiltrator is absolutely trusted.
In the case of 9-11 cognitive infiltration, it appears that there was something far greater than just a few agents logging on to message boards and distorting discussion. In the case of 9-11 the extent of the distortion via infiltration has been conducted by a MAJOR PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION. Message boards, information web sites, specific movements, videos, individual icons and organizations on the ground have been either created, produced or (mis) led by agents of one type or another.
There is a term somewhat understood is "disinformation". That would be the goal of "cognitive infiltration" through the methods of disrupting thinking and resultant action so completely that failure is constant and the group infiltrated concludes that the activity is a waste of time and impossible. By the use of fairly simple informational structures as tools for the group of infiltrators to use, we can see how constant failure of action could be created in a larger, unknowing group.
D) Misinformation
E) Useless information
F) Over information
It should be obvious to any informed person conducting accurate and comprehensive critical thinking that the internet was created as the "global village" with the usenet then converted to .com to appear as a commercial free-for-all (which it is) but also take advantage of a simple psychological fact or feature of the human mental capacity.
Human being have 2 brains. Only the left brain can conduct cognitive, rational reasoning. The right brain has most of our long term memory, autonomic function, emotional response structures cooperating with the limbic system. When you have a thought that makes you feel something, that is the limbic system working.
Here is the simple fact.
When people speak or listen to speech, the left brain is always involved to some degree. When reading or writing, the left brain might not be involved.
We read and write on the internet therefore we are more vulnerable to "cognitive distortions".
The identification of "cognitive infiltration" is quite simple once a person is aware of the above and a few simple, general parameters.
A dominate primary parameter is that no ground obscuring correct information ever be relinquished. Meaning real evidence cannot ever be recognized. Cognitive distortions 1 thru 12 are used to diminish the meaning of facts and evidence while showing false group preference of )D, E) and F). Another is that infiltrating agents always agree when opposing specific accurate information. Otherwise they disagree within F) and D) with others acting under B). Secondary is that a false pretense of social interaction be evident to reinforce C) the deception that the group of infiltrators are normal Americans using the internet. Another secondary parameter is that Constitutional principles and lawfulness by government be underplayed, but not overtly rejected.
When the above fails ridicule is the only tool left and to avoid compromising the group of infiltrators only a few infiltrators apply the ridicule and odd reinforcement is randomly applied by other agents of the infiltrating group.
Consider the black budget is fully large enough to conduct this and within cold war secrecy we would have no way of knowing such was true. Consider that two presidents have warned us of various aspects related to this thread and its purpose and they both were in office just prior to the construction of the World trade Center.
http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/military_eisenhower1_17_61.mp3
http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/jfk_secrecy.mp3
Another aspect is that those conducting "cognitive infiltration's" will never meaningfully take part in a discussion about "cognitive infiltration".
To demonstrate my absolute support for the US Constitution and every prior social contract carried by it and supporting it I will share with the viewer an element of natural law. It originates with the spiritual and philosophical understandings of Native American people who contributed significantly to the concepts the framers of the constitution incorporated into our social contract. This is something every America should know but does not. The reason for this is a union of church and state that disallowed this knowledge from being of the first words of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. Instead of these words about free speech we have freedom of religion.
The greater meaning of free speech comes from an understanding that might be found by practicing it. From the understanding can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
All right . . . who is really here for truth?
I have news for you, this has been happening for at least 6 years on the web, perhaps longer. My experience on message boards is perhaps more extensive than any other truth seeker. If we 9-11 truth seekers are "extremists", how do we detect infiltrators if they are present?
I've learned how this is done. It is actually something junior high school debate teams could achieve easily once the parameters are understood. Just like by the very nature of what the "cognitive infiltrators" have to work with is about on the same level.
I have had a huge advantage here because I actually know exactly, in general terms, how the Twin Towers were constructed. I viewed a 2 hour documentary in 1990 titled "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" that aired nationwide on PBS. I work in construction, have been a welder for 35 years and have also worked as a driller for a blaster on "above ground" blasting projects for road building. I almost attempted to gain the OJT needed to get my BATF blasting license, then decided construction was waning generally.
That advantage is having accurate information about the Twins that can be used to test a group with for infiltrators. My information is absolutely consistent with all evidence. Any one who is in construction knowing of steel and concrete can confirm this consistency.
The average truth seeker is at a major disadvantage because they do not know what is correct or not correct. If they know construction they can determine what is correct once they see it, but before that they do not know.
What I encountered was made a little more difficult because no one had come out and said, like Sunstein, that infiltration's were recommended. I had to determine by behaviors what constituted "cognitive" or exactly how the term was applied to a specific "infiltration". How it was carried out by whomever might be doing it, what it looked like.
Another aspect of the infiltration that was not readily obvious, but became so fairly quickly, was that the infiltration utilized social fears. These are the primary tools of the infiltrators.
A) Ridicule
B) False agreement
C) Social castigation
A more sophisticated and generically related tool is "cognitive distortions". Behavioral psychologists have a list of these that they use in defining when and where therapy needs to be applied to correct erroneous thinking in a patient. Erroneous thinking can, over periods of time, cause people to alienate themselves from others and interfere with the life experience significantly. Here is a list that has been slightly modified to more easily show how it can be applied by others in writing or speaking to distort your perceptions and thoughts.
1) All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories.
2) Over generalization: Single event is viewed as continuous.
3) Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.
4) Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.
5) Mind reading: One absolutely concludes that others are reacting positively or negatively without investigating reality.
6) Fortune Telling: Based on previous 5 distortions, anticipation of negative or positive outcome of situations is established fact.
7) Catastrophizing: Exaggerated importance of self's failures and others successes.
8) Emotional reasoning: One feels as though emotional state IS reality of situation.
9) Should" statements: Self imposed rules about behavior creating guilt at self inability to adhere and anger at others in their inability to conform to self's rules.
10) Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.
11) Personalization: Thinking that the actions or statements of others are a reaction to you.
12) Entitlement: Believing that you deserve things you have not earned.
The real power of the above can be understood when it is realized that this "infiltration" is always by one group of another group. Individuals do not infiltrate discussion groups easily or effectively unless everyone thinks the infiltrator is absolutely trusted.
In the case of 9-11 cognitive infiltration, it appears that there was something far greater than just a few agents logging on to message boards and distorting discussion. In the case of 9-11 the extent of the distortion via infiltration has been conducted by a MAJOR PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION. Message boards, information web sites, specific movements, videos, individual icons and organizations on the ground have been either created, produced or (mis) led by agents of one type or another.
There is a term somewhat understood is "disinformation". That would be the goal of "cognitive infiltration" through the methods of disrupting thinking and resultant action so completely that failure is constant and the group infiltrated concludes that the activity is a waste of time and impossible. By the use of fairly simple informational structures as tools for the group of infiltrators to use, we can see how constant failure of action could be created in a larger, unknowing group.
D) Misinformation
E) Useless information
F) Over information
It should be obvious to any informed person conducting accurate and comprehensive critical thinking that the internet was created as the "global village" with the usenet then converted to .com to appear as a commercial free-for-all (which it is) but also take advantage of a simple psychological fact or feature of the human mental capacity.
Human being have 2 brains. Only the left brain can conduct cognitive, rational reasoning. The right brain has most of our long term memory, autonomic function, emotional response structures cooperating with the limbic system. When you have a thought that makes you feel something, that is the limbic system working.
Here is the simple fact.
When people speak or listen to speech, the left brain is always involved to some degree. When reading or writing, the left brain might not be involved.
We read and write on the internet therefore we are more vulnerable to "cognitive distortions".
The identification of "cognitive infiltration" is quite simple once a person is aware of the above and a few simple, general parameters.
A dominate primary parameter is that no ground obscuring correct information ever be relinquished. Meaning real evidence cannot ever be recognized. Cognitive distortions 1 thru 12 are used to diminish the meaning of facts and evidence while showing false group preference of )D, E) and F). Another is that infiltrating agents always agree when opposing specific accurate information. Otherwise they disagree within F) and D) with others acting under B). Secondary is that a false pretense of social interaction be evident to reinforce C) the deception that the group of infiltrators are normal Americans using the internet. Another secondary parameter is that Constitutional principles and lawfulness by government be underplayed, but not overtly rejected.
When the above fails ridicule is the only tool left and to avoid compromising the group of infiltrators only a few infiltrators apply the ridicule and odd reinforcement is randomly applied by other agents of the infiltrating group.
Consider the black budget is fully large enough to conduct this and within cold war secrecy we would have no way of knowing such was true. Consider that two presidents have warned us of various aspects related to this thread and its purpose and they both were in office just prior to the construction of the World trade Center.
http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/military_eisenhower1_17_61.mp3
http://algoxy.com/psych/audio/jfk_secrecy.mp3
Another aspect is that those conducting "cognitive infiltration's" will never meaningfully take part in a discussion about "cognitive infiltration".
To demonstrate my absolute support for the US Constitution and every prior social contract carried by it and supporting it I will share with the viewer an element of natural law. It originates with the spiritual and philosophical understandings of Native American people who contributed significantly to the concepts the framers of the constitution incorporated into our social contract. This is something every America should know but does not. The reason for this is a union of church and state that disallowed this knowledge from being of the first words of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. Instead of these words about free speech we have freedom of religion.
The greater meaning of free speech comes from an understanding that might be found by practicing it. From the understanding can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
All right . . . who is really here for truth?
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Permalink Reply by Christopher A. Brown on
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All that and not ONE PIECE of evidence showing FEMA presented the core of the towers faithfully.
I have a series of pages having only evidence and reason that is independently verified.
http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html
I'm about useful information for gaining more truth, and I've got it. I've explained how to use it. Comments from people who are interested in the same are welcome.
I've only given the infiltrating agents enough rope to hang themselves, and they have. This effort is about supporting and defending the US constitution, and true to form, agents never mention it.
SkyBlueEyes 1 hour ago
It is good that you have explained to us exactly what your game is with this blog and demonstrating how to carry it out with personal attacks on every one that speaks to you in chat.
When I did a google on your name & 9-11 you are there discrediting any one that is demanding 9-11 truth...I get 28K-65K results..
"Christopher A Brown" & "9-11"
Hmmmmm... I have free time to spare but i can't make a living and get 65K posts on different pages in less than 10 years... You on Government Salary ?
like I said, not one shred of evidence that FEMA faithfully presented the core of the Twins. I have independently verified evidence FEMA lied but sky blu eye is not interested. An internet search on me seems to be more important even when I explain exactly how to use the information I bring to gain official action. Those protecting the perpetrators of mass murder would naturally be very against that and never bring it up. BTW, your screen shots with annotation about my posts do not make sense.
Correct, if you are not accountable I will identify you by testing your stated motives and if you fail to act pursuant to that I will point out the logical intents behind your behavior. Nothing wrong with that.
I recognize the username locutus also. Coincidentally they were against reason and evidence then, and they are now as well:)
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Permalink Reply by Locutus on
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Hey, Chris, I looked through some of the info on the link you gave me. Very technical to say the least. You make insightful points as to the composition of the core. In your opinion, what is the significance other than what you had mentioned that FEMA was purposefully providing doctored evidence that the core was steel.
Why lie to the public and say that it was a steel core and not a cement core with steel tubing reinforcement? Could we have a discussion and other members thoughts on this question? Would a building that is not designed via steel cores still be standing if a jet liner hit it?
"Frank De Martini – architect- said the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707. The intricate lattice structure of the buildings provided resilient and robust structural support. So if a plane hit the buildings it would be like a pencil sticking through a mosquito netting." taken from: http://www.911nwo.com/Notes%20from%20Madison%20conference.html
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Christopher A. Brown said:Tara said:With all due respect Chris, what exactly are you trying to prove here and what are you trying to gain? I'm just curious is all.
It's easy to take things out of context in a chat. If you would take the time to get to know some of us here on 12160 you would find out that most of us here are trying to get to the truth about many different NWO issues. However though, sometimes we are on different paths to get there.
I am proving that many valued members are cognitive infiltrators. What I'm trying to gain is a community that is aware that cognitive infiltrations are working to promote useless information in service to the nwo, because they cannot be stopped if we attempt to use that which cannot be used.
At this late date any real American is open to useful information towards re instituting constitutional and lawful government.
My information is useful for that. I will explain exactly how and have in the chat. If members there are too misguided, distracted or confused to understand, then they will not be able to contribute value towards gaining more truth.
My information proves that NIST attempted forensic analysis of collapse without having building plans. Such is not possible. Analysis of high performance buildings such as the Twins MUST utilize, final, detailed plans in order to determine what did and did not happen. This means that the cause of death stated on 3,000 death certificates is not accurate. Meaning due process has not been provided in mass murder.
Family members and relatives of victims have a right to request amendment of a NYC "vital record" at the coroners office. This has an appeal process with the NY attorney general
I need, we all need (unless we are infiltrating agents of the nwo) to see due process completed in order to receive equal protection of law.
Nothing has been taken out of context. I know agents when I trade words with them. Done deal. I've been doing this almost every day for 8 years. The members named believe FEMA without question, have been shown independently verified evidence showing FEMA lied about the towers core, they have been informed of the lawful uses of this info that will compel official actions and have completely failed to produce anything to support their belief or conduct any reasoning related to the evidence and its uses.
ON EDIT: A strange thing has happened. First the "comment id" caused this page to lock up on the comment of locutus who appears to have removed his post.
My email alert.
Locutus replied to your discussion "Identifying and Detecting Cognitive Infiltration" on 12160
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I'm confused? So what's the point about arguing over whether or not the twin towers core was made of concrete or steel???? Do we all agree that the official 9-11 commission was a white wash? and that...
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I've answered locutus question. If the core was concrete then the cause of death is invalid, due process has not been provided in mass murder, justification for re -analysis of collapse, WITH PLANS, is officially required.
I checked back to see if any of my comments had been "removed" and all are safely and soundly there. The cause of death is invalid? If the core was concrete then what should the cause of death be? Please explain, I AM intrigued.
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Permalink Reply by Marklar on
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Discrediting the real deal people is of course the true modus operandi of disinformation agents. This is the most pathetic attempt I have ever seen though.
Tara said:With all due respect Chris, what exactly are you trying to prove here and what are you trying to gain? I'm just curious is all.
Most of here are aware of the "cognitive infiltration" that you speak of and have dealt with it here on 12160 to a certain degree. I see that you are pointing out specific members of 12160 in the comment thread without knowing the history of these members. They have been around since the inception of 12160, are valued members and are in no way infiltrators. I've been a member of 12160 for a long time and believe me....I've seen "coginitive infiltrators" come and go. It comes with the territory. It can be frustrating though and it causes division when we should be uniting, putting our differences aside and focusing on the true enemy, the NWO.
It's easy to take things out of context in a chat. If you would take the time to get to know some of us here on 12160 you would find out that most of us here are trying to get to the truth about many different NWO issues. However though, sometimes we are on different paths to get there.
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How pathetic, to say that a concrete core would explain free fall as if concrete has no more resistance than air? Your grasp of basic physical principals is obviously less than Jr high school level. Disseminating crackpot theories as "evidence" in order to discredit the movement is how infiltration really works. How does it feel to be thoroughly debunked in one short paragraph?
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This site software is not responding normally so I'm not going to be engaging any of what is coming at me. There are only 2 acceptable responses anyway.
1) Produce evidence of the core FEMA said existed and do it by showing the supposed steel core columns in the core area of the towers on 9-11. All other information is under the control of the infiltrators of the US government and the nwo. It is absolutely logical that the supposed steel core columns would seen just as I can show the concrete core of WTC 2 on 9-11.
2) Admit that FEMA misrepresented the core of the towers to NIST and that this invalidates the cause of death on 3,000 death certificates meaning re analysis of the Towers demise must be done in order for constitutional due process to be served in a case of mass murder.
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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on
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"the supposed steel core columns in the core area of the towers"
Is this humor or do you really believe that WTC 1,2 and 7 had core columns made of another material other than steel? If this is the case I don't understand why anyone is seriously arguing this. Its like arguing with someone on the street pointing up on a clear day and saying the sky is red. I wouldn't even say word one its so ridiculous.
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TheLasersShadow said:"the supposed steel core columns in the core area of the towers"
Is this humor or do you really believe that WTC 1,2 and 7 had core columns made of another material other than steel? If this is the case I don't understand why anyone is seriously arguing this. Its like arguing with someone on the street pointing up on a clear day and saying the sky is red. I wouldn't even say word one its so ridiculous.
Apparently the image above has no meaning to you and you cannot grasp that "a concrete core" such as described by the buildings engineer fo record, Leslie E. Robertson.
Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040807085840/http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3...
Describes a single structure. A rectangular cast concrete tube. That is why the core area is empty in this photo. It is why the very fine arching elements next to it can only be giant rebar.
Why has no one even tried to support the primary disagreement here? This is weird, mass subject change and personal attack instead of critical thinking and a check on beliefs. Like determining if I am correct by trying to find an image of the core that is believed in, or was, in the core area on 9-11?
It as if none of my opposition intends to question FEMA at all, only me.
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KLC said:excuse me...why are you taking screen shots of our chat???
So you know what is going on that will not find and use the truth and easily pro nwo enslavement. It's mine too. Why are you questioning me instead of determining if the truth movement has been deceived and trying to use erroneous info?
I've shown lots of proof the truth movement has been mislead. How bad do you want the truth? Do you need it like I do?
Maybe you should ask why those not providing evidence to support their position are taking screen shots of our chat and applying nonsense annotations instead of finding evidence they have not been deceived as I've shown they have been?
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"If we 9-11 truth seekers are "extremists", how do we detect infiltrators if they are present?"
You detect them by their tactics and words, just like the No plane infiltrators years ago we now have YOU the concrete core infiltrator. Just like we routed them we will route you. Find a new tactic and come back as another screen name as you guys always do. I could be wrong you might not be an "infiltrator" but just someone who's naive and has no concept of Physics architecture or controlled demolition. Which in that case please do some research and come back then and debate us on what ever else we're 'confused' about.
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Greg said:Why do you find it necessary to take a screen shot of the public chatroom as a part of your content for a blog post? Why don't you expose your whole face for your profile? I'm offering you the opportunity to be honest with us.
Firstly the way the image is processed by the site it cuts my face off.
If people refuse to work with truth who are supposed to be truthers, someone needs to know, hopefully others who really are truthers.
I have an entire site using only evidence and reason. I know exactly how the towers were constructed in a general way. In 1990 I viewed a 2 hour docuemntary produced by independent filmakers about the construciton of WTC 1 titeled, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". PBS denies it ever existed now.
Dr. Ron Larsen, Ph.D, physics, cornell, found my website,
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
emailed me, got my phone number, called me, and said, "Do you realize you are feasibly explaining exactly what happened to the Twins?". We talked several times a week for several weeks and he invited me to co host his web radio show, "Liberty Calling". I did that fro a few months or more.
Dr. Larsen has made a web page about my demo theory,
http://libertycalling.com/cbrowndemomodel.htm
My site actually explains feasibly all of the phenomena at the WTC on 9-11.
free fall
total pulverization
superfine, heated particulate
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11fivephenomena.html
I've been a welder for 35 years, I've worked as a driller for a blaster, I work as a surveyor for an engineer, so I understood every word of the 2 hour documentary. There were clues in the doc that told me EXACTLY what happened to the towers on 9-11.
We are in far deeper trouble than any suspect.
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TheLasersShadow said:"If we 9-11 truth seekers are "extremists", how do we detect infiltrators if they are present?"
You detect them by their tactics and words, just like the No plane infiltrators years ago we now have YOU the concrete core infiltrator. Just like we routed them we will route you. Find a new tactic and come back as another screen name as you guys always do. I could be wrong you might not be an "infiltrator" but just someone who's naive and has no concept of Physics architecture or controlled demolition. Which in that case please do some research and come back then and debate us on what ever else we're 'confused' about.
No, won't happen.
Only evidence and reason will work and you haven't got either. I do not return under other usernames. I am not a disinfo and they do that bigtime. I use truth, evidence and reason to expose infiltrators attempting disinfo.
Some people are so decieved and so taken in by the social scene they cannot concieve that one person could have it right and so many have it wrong. Well, there has been a huge effort put out to deceive the truth movement, so if you are capable of useing evidence and reason, you can stop being used by the infiltrators to block the truth.
First clue. Notice not one person has even tried to post an image of the core FEMA (misre)presents to NIST and that truthers like r. gage accept without question. He refuses to justify his belief in the official information about the core structure. I've asked him publically and he lied, saying he has it and would send it to me. Never did.
Logic. IF there were steel core columns in the core area that looked like this.
Then there would be images from 9-11 that showed that structural core.
I know they didn't exist and post this image of the cast, tubular, rectangular concrete core that did exist of WTC 2 on 9-11.
I also will post a link to an archived article where L.E. Robertson the engineer of record for the Twins describes a concrete core in the days following 9-11.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040807085840/http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3...
Okay, your turn for evidence and reason.''
ON EDIT:
BTW, I trashed the no planers by using simple reason. Here it is.
Why would the perpetrators compromise their ruse so seriously by making people think that WTC 1 was hit first by a plane then demo WTC 2 first?
no plane theory depends on remote control over planes or demolitions. Obviously if planes were flown remotely operators were well trained and controlled. If they were not and the wrong tower was hit first, then demolitions were remotely controlled and a reversed impact sequence can be compensated for. It wasn't. The event had a backwards impact/fall sequence.
The cognitive infiltrations go back to 2003 at september11th.org as far as I can tell, where posters were downplaying the reversed impact/fall sequence.
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