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Permalink Reply by T Stirhen on August 8, 2012 at 3:01pm

Actually America is a Constitutional Republic.

It has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives, etc. The critical difference is that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution created the federal government, its structure of three different branches with each branch having different specific powers and duties, plus assigned exactly which branch has which power and creating checks on the fed gov's power by balancing the total powers assigned it between the three different branches.

Plus it gives each branch constitutional means to stop another branch from encroachment onto powers not assigned it.

What you are not understanding is that the States created the Constitution to create a limited federal government that has specific duties assigned it - mostly dealing with foreign affairs, but also to deal with making sure the states traded fairly with each other.

And that the Federal Government was NOT given the power to take more 'power' for itself. The Constitution is the fundamental and paramount law of this nation, and is the government of this nation, NOT the feds unless the bills, amendments, etc they write are following the US Constitution. If they do not they are illegal, or as the framers said, "null and void".

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of this land. The Federal government is NOT the Supreme Law of this land since we are NOT a Dictatorship or Monarchy, etc.

Does that mean that our type of government has been under attack since it was created? Yes, it has. Many believe it is disgusting to think that the common man has rights, and can think enough for themselves to be able to make any decision of importance. That the common man must be controlled.

Does that mean that we have to let them destroy our government? No. Does that mean that every generation needs to be aware of what is going on in our government if we truly want to rule ourselves? Yes.

Even though much propaganda has been used, and many brought here from bad governments to create a 'class' that does not realize their contribution and duty REQUIRED to keep our type of government which has instead allowed mostly corrupt people to get into it and create illegal laws, bills and executive orders (all of which are illegal here in the USA no matter when they were created as ONLY congress can make legislation).

So now you know:  the people made the states -> the states made the Constitution of the USA -> the Constitution made the federal government to deal with ONLY specific issues and that the fed gov has wayyyy overstepped its legally assigned duties and powers.

That means that we are under attack from within - Domestic Enemies; very much like Germany when its legitimate government was under attack, when the rights of the people as oulined in their constitution was 'suspended'.

The concept then was to control the world; the concept now is to make a one-world “government”.

So tell me, What is the difference?

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Permalink Reply by Nathan A. Bauer on September 28, 2012 at 7:42pm

Again, Sirhan Sirhan, you spout foolishness. You just regurgitated the propaganda that most schools in the US indoctrinate into all the children. The CONstitution was never written by any State. It was written by a few wealthy men, based upon common law of Britain. It was supposedly ratified by all 13 States, but....have you noticed how many states exist now? Who stole their consent? What really happened during the "War of Northern Aggression?" Do you even have the faintest clue?

The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. And the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children. It is not only plainly impossible, in the nature of things, that they could bind their posterity, but they did not even attempt to bind them. That is to say, the instrument does not purport to be an agreement between any body but “the people” then existing; nor does it, either expressly or impliedly, assert any right, power, or disposition, on their part, to bind anybody but themselves." http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

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Permalink Reply by T Stirhen on September 29, 2012 at 12:57am

Nathan, you are incorrect in your assumptions.

The Constitution is the supreme law of this land. If we don't REQUIRE enforcement, if we let corrupt individuals get by with illegal stuff - then the blame is ours.

WE have not held those in office or law enforcement, or the military accountable. We are not even require law enforcement to uphold the laws as THEY are required (the legal ones - constitutional ones - the rest are not really 'legal' laws here but are being enforced anyway). Our type of government means the people have to be knowledgeable, and informed. But we let them destroy us from within - this is OUR fault.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known, and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor. He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in hearts of men. He rots the soul of a nation. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city. He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A Murderer Is Less To Be Feared."

“God provided that in this land of liberty, our political allegiance shall run not to individuals, that is, to government officials, no matter how great or how small they may be. Under His plan our allegiance and the only allegiance we owe as citizens or denizens of the United States, runs to our inspired Constitution which God himself set up. So runs the oath of office of those who participate in government. A certain loyalty we do owe to the office which a man holds, but even here we owe just by reason of our citizenship, no loyalty to the man himself. In other countries it is to the individual that allegiance runs. This principle of allegiance to the Constitution is basic to our freedom. It is one of the great principles that distinguishes this “land of liberty” from other countries”. J. Reuben Clark

But we now have a country full of people who are used to having a person in charge in then lands from which they came here from, not loyalty to a Constitution.

We now have a nation that has been taught that the president is "powerful". Under our LEGITIMATE government neither the president, the legislature, nor the judicial are powerful. We let them usurp our legitimate government; lie to us, mislead us, get a cartel owning the mass media so we could be fed the "news" the way they wanted it fed to us and not how it really is when our type of government is the people with temporary employees in the offices carrying out the blueprint of our government and the duties assigned to them..

Right now we have law enforcement who stand up for our legitimate government detained illegally, put into psychiatric hospitals, or locked up who knows where, or even murdered disguised as suicides.

Right now MANY of our military are also detained, psy hospitals, locked up, murdered, and even clinical trials used on them without their knowledge or consent.

Right now many people are being "disappeared" for the same reasons.

If we do not teach them that we do not have to accept this corruptness, the domestic ENEMIES are ENEMIES as much as are those who attack us with arms, then we give our country away. If we do not teach them what our LEGITIMATE government is, then how can they know what can or - more important- can NOT be done by those in office?

You seem not realize just how far away from our legitimate government those occupying positions within it have taken it today and over the last few decades.

Basically the laws of our nation are:

You have the right to life. Because you have the right to life as does all else - you do not have the right to take a life except in self defense - be it here at home, or in another nation.

You have the right to own property, so you do not have the right to take another's from them.

You have the right to create the kind of life you want as long as you do not injure another.

Etc...

Those occupying positions within our government have broken all of our laws, including doing mass murder - and we have allowed it.

Benjamin Franklin said: "The Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be ... The People cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe” Thomas Jefferson

All restraints upon man's natural liberty, not necessary for the simple maintenance of justice, are of the nature of slavery, and differ from each other only in degree.  Lysander Spooner (BTW - he has much to say about our type of government that you probably never knew. If you get the chance look him up.

Or http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7891A55C8C33659F is  a series of lectures (Politically incorrect guide to American History. Around the middle is some stuff on Lysander)

This (below) is where I believe we might be because so many do not understand the reality of what our Constitutional Republic is and so will not fight for freedom.

No constitution, no court, no law can save liberty when it dies in the hearts and minds of men.  John Perkins

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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on August 7, 2012 at 6:52am

I'll be voting Gary Johnson and know that I have shown support for a third party which is desperately needed in this country. People are open to 3rd parties but don't vote for them because they don't see the numbers with them, show them our numbers!!

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Permalink Reply by Central Scrutinizer on August 7, 2012 at 7:09am

Doing likewise Bro ;)

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Permalink Reply by Dianne Stallark on August 7, 2012 at 12:45pm

GJ has my vote. I like his stance on many issues! We can take the Liberty movement to the polls. One less vote for O'fraudma, is one MORE vote for a 3rd party CANdidate. We refuse to buy into a vote for one CONdidate or the other CAN'Tidate they want to shove down our throats.

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Permalink Reply by truth on August 8, 2012 at 10:44pm

not gonna do it wouldn't be prudent

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400999/dana_carvey_as_bush/#

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Permalink Reply by Nathan on August 8, 2012 at 10:46pm

:D

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Permalink Reply by Michael Clair on August 8, 2012 at 10:25pm

Hooyahh!! If no one else we shall show the enemy our power and let them be scared. Than they will make mistakes.

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Permalink Reply by T Stirhen on September 29, 2012 at 1:10am

As long as WE allow Election Fraud to continue - it matters not who you vote for. Why are you not fighting for a legitimate elections? Why are you not requiring those who committed election fraud to be arrested?

NVM, that is too much work.

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Permalink Reply by Tara on September 29, 2012 at 2:52am

That's all good and all Laser, but even if you had RP's faithful supporters throwing their vote to GJ, the elitist pricks would still squash the vote in some way, shape or form. What makes anyone think that things will be different if a third party candidate is running for prez??? The vote is still rigged right? So WTF is going to change? It's a one party system!!! We have to dismantle the system before we can even talk about voting once again.

Vote locally and plant the seeds of liberty. That is the only way to grow that tree of liberty once again.

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Permalink Reply by TheLasersShadow on September 29, 2012 at 6:28am

Yea true It's unlikely to accomplish getting a freedom candidate in the Whitehouse BUT I like to make the system work hard for it's food and scare the crap out of them once and again. GJ is my message this year.

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