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Permalink Reply by Christopher on September 13, 2013 at 10:55am

If that was not the evidence, that some needed, to prove the emergence of a POLICE STATE; then what's it going to take? 

Permalink Reply by 14300 on September 13, 2013 at 11:11am

What's next- the AIR Quality Police?

Permalink Reply by 1e3o0fhd65yld on September 13, 2013 at 12:12pm

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power." - From George Orwell's 1984 

Permalink Reply by bobmaginnis on September 13, 2013 at 11:17am

I'm concerned about our creeping police state, but gold dredging requires tailings ponds to avoid fish kills, government inspectors want to be armed in the backwoods, but need to announce themselves first.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130903/gold-miners-near-chi...

Permalink Reply by Zhivago on September 13, 2013 at 2:42pm

YOUNG PEOPLE: It is YOUR world now.  To break the back of these insane people, ONE way to deal with them is to NOT JOIN THEIR FORCES.  Even if the income of a police officer is $100,000 a year, or whatever, have some integrity, and do something else!!  Flipping burgers at McDonald's would be better than being a police officer THESE DAYS. Being a police officer COULD be (and, at one time, was) an honorable profession.  NOT ANYMORE. 

The U.S. has become a POLICE STATE.  Anytime you arrest a 70-year old man, and you have NO regard or respect for his status as one of our elders, then your profession has been shot to shit, and you need to roll on. REFUSE to join the police department!! REFUSE to join the military!!  And if someone claims, "You're not a patriot," then reply, "If patriotism means going to Syria to kill someone who ain't did shit to ME, then, right: I AM NOT A PATRIOT!!"

The true patriot, today, is the person who is AGAINST the NON-PATRIOTS of our government that no longer work FOR US, but, rather, that work for corporations; for private families; for Wall Street; for the military-industrial complex (AS PRESIDENT DWIGHT EISENHOWER WARNED US!!  SEE YOUTUBE). This is no joke, and this is no hyperbole: Our government is now a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.  Actually, it's just ONE PART of a criminal enterprise.  There doesn't seem much we can do. 

But, one thing we CAN do is NOT PARTICIPATE. If you work in a munitions factory, LEAVE.  If your wife threatens to leave you, because you're no longer making that "good" munitions factory money, well.....That's a tough one, true.  But, you have a responsibility to YOURSELF, also, as well as a responsibility to your family. And, if your conscience bothers you, but your husband refuses to consider that, then what kind of husband is he? 

YOUNG PEOPLE: Refuse military service!! Our military is in the pockets of MONEY.  And, though you won't like to hear this, it has been that way since AT LEAST the 1930s.  If you don't believe so, then read Smedley Butler's book, WAR IS A RACKET.  He was the most decorated marine in U.S. history.  And he finally woke up and realized that all of his "successful" military campaigns had been waged NOT for "freedom and democracy" and "mom's apple pie," but for MONEY. 

WAR IS A RACKET is MUST reading for any TRUE patriot (although I'm not really very fond of this word, "patriot."  We should be "patriots" of THE HUMAN FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!)  Again, DO NOT SERVE IN THE MILITARY!!  It's just a tool for MURDERING people, in other countries, who don't do what the corporations demand.  It's just a tool for the RICH.  And do not join the police department. That's a start.  What we REALLY need is that a big percentage of Americans REFUSE TO GO TO WORK FOR ONE FULL WEEK.  Oh boy!!  If we refused to go to work for a week, we'd DEFINITELY get the attention of these arseholes, and get something DONE.  They'd try to replace you with new hires, but that would be a mistake, because it TAKES TIME to get new hires, and to train them.  And "time is money," as these arseholes believe. My two cents.

Permalink Reply by bobmaginnis on September 13, 2013 at 3:15pm

You can find my previous comment in the thread, and while I am against the creeping police state, we the people own much of the Western states, and when folks go dredging for gold, they can harm our streams and our Salmon, so it is appropriate that our public employees inspect the conditions of the tailings ponds.  If it was my job to inspect, I would want a police vest and a gun, otherwise the miners' might think I was a robber after their gold.  It is cheaper for the miner to pollute the river than make a good tailings pond, so we need public employees to inspect, except that they need to loudly announce their visit to the miners' claim on our public land.

Permalink Reply by Zhivago on September 13, 2013 at 6:11pm

I have no problem with REASON.  I'm not a fanatic [although I might tend to write like one].

The PROBLEM we have is this: Although what you have said is not only well-stated, but very much understood, as well as very reasonable and understadable, our "government" has created a state of fear.  And it is because, over the last couple of decades, the APPEARANCE (if nothing else) of the establishment of a police state is very, very strong.

There are CHILDREN that are being [WHILE IN SCHOOL!!] slammed to the floor, ARRESTED, and charles with bring a toy cap gun to school, aiming it at a fellow student [in MUTUAL FUN], and being charged with FELONIES.  It's absolutely insane.

There are legitimate activists, such as Chicago activists a few years ago, that were communicating their beef with the government, in emails and website posts, etc., over the Internet.  SWAT TEAMS were sent to their apartments, and their equipment was confiscated; the children were scared to death, due to the behavior of these teams.  It's all OVER-KILL, big time.

In Detroit (and in New York City), years back, OLD WOMEN were SHOT TO DEATH, by Swat teams that were called to her building by some citizens that claimed there were "drug lords" in the building.  And the Swat team busts down this OLD WOMAN'S door, and gunned her down--with barely an apology, afterwards.

The very uniforms of police officers have changed drastically, and they all resemble the unforms of NAZIS--certain of the uniforms, helmets and all.  The very ATTITUDE of these police officers--system-wide, all over the country, is THE SAME: unberable.

On the highways, state police officers are LITERALLY robbing people, claiming, "Well, this amount of money MUST be drug money."  It's just criminal, that's all. 

I can go on and on and on.  So, what you see happening is NOT isolated incidents of "mis-behavior."  What you SEE is a PATTERN, and it's growing, and it's everywhere, and it APPEARS to be very well orchestrated.

So, while some might say, "Officers are merely protecting themselves and trying to carry out their duty," well, that might be right.  But who's TRAINING them?  Why are officers now equipped with military-grade weapons.  That was NOT the case in the past. 

Had these patterns not been occuring, all over the U.S., for many years now, then your perspective of the particular situation under discussion could be accepted 100%  But, I can't.  I can't because this thing is getting RIDICULOUS.

I jog near Lake Michigan, occasionally.  Last year, I parked my car, and went jogging. When I finished, an hour and 40 minutes later, I got in my car to go home.  It was daylight, not night.  I started driving.  I saw the police car, behind me, flashing, so I pulled over.

I looked in my left rear-view mirror, after the cop finally got out of his car, and THIS dude was approaching my car WITH HIS HAND FIRMLY ON HIS GUN.  I mean, WHAT DA F_CK!!??

I'm very good at handling cops, as well as [on the opposite end], hardcore street folks [thugs, pimps, "hos" (prostitutes), etc].  So, I did my, "Yes, officer," polite thing, right?  The guy was INSANE!!  He was acting like his LIFE was in jeopardy, when HE is the one that had the gun!

Why did he pull me over?  Because of some minor traffic thing [I can't even remember it, it was so little], and he gave me a ticket. 

NEVER, in my 63 years on this earth, had I encountered any cop acting like that--even in the 1960s, when folks were out here burning shi_t down. 

This is something NEW.  This is something unprecendented, at least in MY lifetime.  It has been created gradually, over a period of time.  It seems as if that's been done purposely, so as to not startle folks.  But it is startling nonetheless.

Anyway, again: I have no problem with your perspective, and you're probably right--for THAT particular issue.  Yet, I'm not so sure.  The police are either extremely paranoid [and for NOTHING], or they're being TRAINED, systematically, for their role as enforcers in the new police state.  I tend to believe the latter.

Permalink Reply by apeman2502 on September 13, 2013 at 6:40pm

  The stupid woman in charge of the EPA sat back and allowed BP to dump millions of gallons of internationally banned Corexit into the gulf to disperse the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster. Obummer pardoned BP for this act of well sabotage, judged as an intentional act of sabotage by the U.S. senate. After refusing Europe's entire fleet of oil skimmer boats to assist in the clean up, the EPA nutjob sat on her big fat one and allowed the GoM to be seriously damaged by Blackstone and BP's extensive Corexit spraying. Now this same piece of trash wants to point guns in peoples' faces to prove her worth. This is not an intelligent person. This person needs psychiatric help. This person needs a jail cell and 10 years at hard labor.