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Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 2:18pm

Good one. I made full circle on this one. I used to be against the draft, but now I know it's the only way to stop the endless repetition of war. I support this bill. Yeah, draft young rich kids. Quickly send them to the frontlines with House member's sons and daughters with no deferments or cushy, safe positions offered and see how long this carnage continues.

Permalink Reply by Tara on July 8, 2010 at 4:40pm

I guess there will be a lot of us that fall into that category. What if you are parents that fall into that age range? Where would your kids go if both parents were called for the draft? There would be a lot of kids without their parents around that is for sure. In no way can that be a good thing. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

How is this piece of legislation going to end the wars and bring peace? It sounds to me like recycling humans for the endless war machine. They've already used the military up by the constant tours these men and women have had to endure, now they're coming after us, the young, to use us up too.

I hope this legislation doesn't see the light of day! I would rather die fighting against the Empire instead of dieing for it!

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 6:19pm

Hi Tara, I fully understand where your coming from with your comment against a draft. I do. Like I said earlier, I used to be against it for the same reason. Bottom line, this war is way to convenient with a all "volunteer" army. If you want some real "cause and affect" (for peace), pass a bill that threatens to send politician's offspring to war. It sucks, but I think it's the only way for peace.

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 6:38pm

In addition, Tara, I wouldn't worry about this bill passing. The makers of war will never allow it to move forward. Why? Because they know full well it would disrupt their cozy little game plan. The all volunteer gig is working like a champ. As is, the war bucks are flowing just fine with no risk to those signing each new war budget. Indeed, their kids are doing just fine & dandy in college (away from the frontlines of war) as they prepare for public office when their parents retire.

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 6:53pm

I hope more people offer their opinion on this great topic. I am interested in knowing how our members feel about this one....

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 7:19pm

Jen, you may want to remain open on this topic and reconsider if a draft would actually help. The perfect backlash is to put those at risk who think their safe from the carnage. It makes for a tough political career when you get caught trying to evade military service during war time. Just think about it........

Jen said:

Tara I couldn't agree with you more... I would have been eligible for the draft, had it passed in the Nam era and knew I wanted no part of it... I grew up with a military dad and I appreciated his patriotism but found out way too young what a waste of f'n life it was... He retired fed up with the corrupt mess our leaders had "sold" us out to... saying that war was just a means for population control....
Aside from the population control thing who's going to be here to stand for our country if they are all drafted and off fighting around world for their planned mutilations... that will leave the older (and yes I can call 43 older) and the younger who haven't been taught much truth anyway through the systems...

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 7:33pm

Hi Greg, the two party system sucks, but I say - "Draft Young Republicans" and watch how fast this war business ends.

Greg said:

Tara, I totally agree with you. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

Tara said:

I guess there will be a lot of us that fall into that category. What if you are parents that fall into that age range? Where would your kids go if both parents were called for the draft? There would be a lot of kids without their parents around that is for sure. In no way can that be a good thing. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

How is this piece of legislation going to end the wars and bring peace? It sounds to me like recycling humans for the endless war machine. They've already used the military up by the constant tours these men and women have had to endure, now they're coming after us, the young, to use us up too.

I hope this legislation doesn't see the light of day! I would rather die fighting against the Empire instead of dieing for it!

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 8:01pm

Greg, of course it's your right to believe whatever you want to, but check this out - consider the following: when I lived in D.C., I used to ride the Metro Rail often and I got to see many young preppies coming from George Town Prep School. I'm talking about the spoiled rich kids of politicians being prepped for public office positions. Kids who wouldn't know bread without butter. I used to watch these same little tots getting dropped-off at school in limos and mercedes Benzes. If a kid got dropped-off in a Volvo, they put their nose in the air and looked down on them as "poor." I used to often hear them say things like "Gee, I wonder if mummy will let me use the Chauffer tonight?" Yeah, these are the ones who need to go to the frontlines of war. You want lasting peace? Put the rich brats at risk. Greg said:

I disagree Vince. Tyranny is Bi-Partisan and drafting the left or the right makes no difference. Obama works for the same bank bosses as Bush did. War draft is bullshit END THE WAR!!

Vincent L. Guarisco said:

Hi Greg, the two party system sucks, but I say - "Draft Young Republicans" and watch how fast this war business ends.

Greg said:

Tara, I totally agree with you. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

Tara said:

I guess there will be a lot of us that fall into that category. What if you are parents that fall into that age range? Where would your kids go if both parents were called for the draft? There would be a lot of kids without their parents around that is for sure. In no way can that be a good thing. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

How is this piece of legislation going to end the wars and bring peace? It sounds to me like recycling humans for the endless war machine. They've already used the military up by the constant tours these men and women have had to endure, now they're coming after us, the young, to use us up too.

I hope this legislation doesn't see the light of day! I would rather die fighting against the Empire instead of dieing for it!

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 8, 2010 at 8:45pm

Greg, i'm talking about kids from both sides of the isle. Plus, a car is not the issue.

Greg said:

Vince if you don't think there are snobby children of Democrats doing the same thing as Republicans your sleeping. Besides whats wrong with a Mercedes? I owned one for 7 years.

Vincent L. Guarisco said:

Greg, of course it's your right to believe whatever you want to, but check this out - consider the following: when I lived in D.C., I used to ride the Metro Rail often and I got to see many young preppies coming from George Town Prep School. I'm talking about the spoiled rich kids of politicians being prepped for public office positions. Kids who wouldn't know bread without butter. I used to watch these same little tots getting dropped-off at school in limos and mercedes Benzes. If a kid got dropped-off in a Volvo, they put their nose in the air and looked down on them as "poor." I used to often hear them say things like "Gee, I wonder if mummy will let me use the Chauffer tonight?" Yeah, these are the ones who need to go to the frontlines of war. You want lasting peace? Put the rich brats at risk. Greg said:

I disagree Vince. Tyranny is Bi-Partisan and drafting the left or the right makes no difference. Obama works for the same bank bosses as Bush did. War draft is bullshit END THE WAR!!

Vincent L. Guarisco said:

Hi Greg, the two party system sucks, but I say - "Draft Young Republicans" and watch how fast this war business ends.

Greg said:

Tara, I totally agree with you. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

Tara said:

I guess there will be a lot of us that fall into that category. What if you are parents that fall into that age range? Where would your kids go if both parents were called for the draft? There would be a lot of kids without their parents around that is for sure. In no way can that be a good thing. This is Orweillian BS, plain and simple!

How is this piece of legislation going to end the wars and bring peace? It sounds to me like recycling humans for the endless war machine. They've already used the military up by the constant tours these men and women have had to endure, now they're coming after us, the young, to use us up too.

I hope this legislation doesn't see the light of day! I would rather die fighting against the Empire instead of dieing for it!

Permalink Reply by Tara on July 9, 2010 at 1:11am

If I remember correctly, even with the draft in place back in the Vietnam days, many rich kids especially politicians sons got a get out of war free card, so what would make it any different today? Those with money can pay their way out of anything as we all know.

My point was that it wouldn't matter if you were rich, poor, black, white, married, single, chrishtian, nonchristian, ect...... the young in the US including myself and many family members would be targeted to fight a war that has no end in sight. Why should the young be the ones targeted to fight these illegal wars? Shouldn't it be the old crochety depend wearing war mongering bastards who have turned war into a 24 hour reality show on TV? Let them fight these f-ing wars, they created them so let them fight their own wars. Arghhhhh, this just pisses me off....sorry Vince!

Vincent L. Guarisco said:

Hi Tara, I fully understand where your coming from with your comment against a draft. I do. Like I said earlier, I used to be against it for the same reason. Bottom line, this war is way to convenient with a all "volunteer" army. If you want some real "cause and affect" (for peace), pass a bill that threatens to send politician's offspring to war. It sucks, but I think it's the only way for peace.

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 9, 2010 at 4:16am

Tara, never apoligize for expressing your informed opinion. I know that none of us can agree on everything 100% of the time. We all want the same thing. How we get there is yet to be known. Peace, Sista

~Vince

Permalink Reply by Vincent L. Guarisco on July 11, 2010 at 3:26am

Jen, let's get something straight here and now, I don't agree with our on-going illegal wars. This discussion is about the "draft" and how it may or may not stop the wars. Yes, I already know these conflicts were planned in advance (before 9/11) by a bunch of heartless profit driven A-holes uselessly putting our troops in harms way for their own selfish greed. Plus, I have seen what PTSD does to combat vets as well. My own father is 100% service connected disabled with PTSD.

You may not agree with me and that is within your right to do so, regardless - I still believe a draft would cause a big shit stir and it could help end the war. Thus far, nothing else seems to get the dumb-down nodwells motivated to stop the madness with an all volunteer military.

Moreover, I'm smart enough to know that a certain percentage of upper-class kids would get bogus differments, but not all of them. . . so many would be forced to serve.

~Vince

Jen said:

Sorry Vincent nothing to reconsider really... if there were a need for war... if there is something honorable to be done why aren't the governments doing something about the heinous genocides going on throughout the world... why are the only wars being fought, being fought in countries where there are massive monies to be made from natural resources? Do we think that the gov't just found out about the riches in Afganastan? Don't kid yourself... Just because they finally shared with us doesn't make it news for them...

Tara made a good point also... the rich have their means to keep there young ones out of harms way... money in their pockets... and thats dems or reps...

Maybe people that are voting to send our young to die should just manup... join up and see what its like to watch your best friend get his face blown off, or children gang raped and killed in mass.. civilians slaughtered for fun...

Have you considered why there are so many coming home... that are fortunate enough to come home... suffering from mental disorders... and the illnesses from the chemicals they are exposed to...

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