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Comment by EDOGZ818 on October 17, 2013 at 6:49am

I've seen plenty of "so-called" Born Again Christians advocating the death of ALL Muslims, if you haven't...count your blessings.

It's not for me to say if they are Christian, or will get into Heaven.

Comment by Alan Wakefield on October 17, 2013 at 12:07am

Thank you EDOGZ818 and Deanna for your responses. I would like to respond to both of you as follows: EDOGZ818, you say it is hair-splitting for a Christian to define another's Christianity. Here is what the Bible says about that issue: In the Book of First John in the New Testament we read: 1 John|4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into
the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." 1 John, 4:1 to 4:3.

When God says "...Try the spirits..." He is telling us to test those that claim to be Christian. He is NOT saying we are NOT to love them, but neither are we to be foolish and simply accept as valid every claim of Christianity. There is no such thing as a "so-called Christian" as you can see from the Scripture I quoted. One is either born again or he is not. I do not use the term "born again Christian" because that is redundant. One who is born again is, by definition, Christian. Jesus said,"Ye must be born again." It is impossible to be a Christian unless one is born again. What Christian advocates the wholesale slaughter of anyone? That is impossible; no Christian can or would advocate such behavior.

Deanna, again, I agree with you in spirit, but do not see a "cleansing of...government" ever taking place. I do not say we should not resist the evil our government now represents, neither do I envision a Christian revival because people are too distracted to recognize their need for Jesus Christ. I would love for that to happen and I would wish I am wrong, but it will truly take a serious change of heart in millions of people to cause God to act to save us. If people would do as God advocates in the Old Testament, Book of Second Chronicles, I believe God would fulfill His promise of chapter 7, verse 14:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. "  2 Chronicles 7:14.

As for hatred of anyone or any group, as you can easily see from the Words of Jesus, Jesus Christ is THE ANSWER, THE ONLY ANSWER.

Comment by deanna arnold on October 16, 2013 at 5:22pm

I agree with you, Alan in that we are in grave times right now and we don't have the luxury of living amongst each other with our freedoms, peace, and respect for our unique individual contributions to society. We must first, very much care and fight against the evil we're facing. My statement was intended to reference a time I hope to see in that we have a complete cleansing of our current government while removing the dependency on government from our citizens. Hopefully, my kids will see a time where people can live amongst each other and respecting differences while maintaining a readiness to fight against anyone who attempts to take away their rights and/or the rights of their fellow Americans.

The main point in my post was to hopefully point out how the mention of hate for gays easily let the conversation away from the fact that our military is preparing to arm up against a group for beliefs. I beg everyone to please stay aware and don't be distracted into giving our government consent to go to war against our American people who are practicing their Constitutional rights (regardless of how you feel on the topic).

Comment by EDOGZ818 on October 16, 2013 at 5:06pm

@Alan W :

Logically, I agree that many wrongfully use the term Christian, or rather, many "so-called" Christians don't follow the Christ, but it gets to be hair splitting for one to define another, that is for one to tell another that they aren't Christian, even though they proclaim to be.

I personally don't think any Christian should be advocated the wholesale slaughter of people who never transgressed against them.

Comment by Alan Wakefield on October 16, 2013 at 2:58pm

To deanna arnold: I generally agree with the "spirit" of what you say. I disagree with this statement: "what other people believe is of no concern to me." Again, I agree with the "spirit" of that statement, but the terrible reality is the people behind obama, the International Banksters of the New World Order, are frightening in their beliefs and those frightening beliefs are NOW in effect and threaten your life and the lives of your loved ones, and mine. Those “beliefs that do not concern” you, are filling our food, our medicine, our air with life destroying chemicals. While I could take pages to warn of deadly food additives, deadly vaccinations, deadly chemtrails, all designed to destroy the human immune system and thus kill billions of innocent human beings before the year 2030 (cannot locate that file), I will simply point you and others to the Georgia Guidestones so you can understand the “fundamental insanity” behind the madness, madness that has us fighting among ourselves, madness that generates anger instead of love between those who have a vested interest in working together. Here is the “fundamental” message of the Georgia Guidestones: “1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 (under one half billion) IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE.” The Earth population today exceeds seven billion. To achieve to the population goals of the satan worshipers seven or eight billion (allowing for growth) people MUST DIE by 2030.

Comment by Alan Wakefield on October 16, 2013 at 2:57pm

To Mike Lowery: Mike, if you are familiar with the Canons of Judicial Ethics or the writing of some ancient jurists, you will know a judge (and that includes us when we are called upon to make judgments) is NOT to issue a ruling or judgment UNTIL he has all the facts (admittedly that is difficult for anyone to be certain he has ALL the facts), but generally speaking, especially with the Internet, we do have enough facts available to us to enable us to do our homework and to help us to arrive at rational, logical conclusions. For example, are ALL fundamentalists "close minded?" Clearly, and I know you agree, you, nor I, are not even close to knowing ALL fundamentalists. So, implying ALL fundamentalists are "close minded" is demonstrably an irrational statement. You may be correct, but ALL the evidence is not in. I call myself a "fundamentalist's fundamentalist." For example, the most “fundamental” question in the universe is this one: “Is God?” Fundamentally more important than my question is each person's answer to my question. NO ONE can avoid answering. Everyone will answer, no opting out. There ARE ONLY two answers, by the way. Wow, talk about a fundamentalist. The question and the two answers are as fundamental as you can get.

Comment by Alan Wakefield on October 16, 2013 at 2:57pm

I see a number of comments above I wish to answer and will do so in seriatim. My original posting is too long so I have to answer in several postings:

To EDOGZ818; Logically there can be no such thing as a "Christian hate group." Jesus Christ has ordered His children, born again Believers (No such animal as a Christian who is NOT born again), "...Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" So you can see, EDOGZ818, those hate groups ARE NOT Christian. The "pastor" Phelps of the world should acquaint themselves with the definition of "blasphemy," and the punishment associated with unforgiven blasphemy.

Tara, Jesus does speak of all of us becoming one: "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one... ." Gospel of John 17:22 (read verses before and after)

To Christopher-Peter: If you have been paying attention as long as I have (50 yrs +) you are acutely aware the satan worshipers of the world DO NOT promote Christians, only other satan worshipers. The surprising thing to me would have been to learn that "former general in the U.S. Army" was a Christian. It IS NO SURPRISE to learn he is a satan worshiper. Can you imagine, ONLY TWO CHOICES, and that former general chose wrong.

Comment by deanna arnold on October 15, 2013 at 11:48am

Their labeling these groups as 'hate' groups in order to label another group of Americans as 'enemies of the state'. This America and people can believe whatever they want. As long as they stay non-violent, who cares? I will chose my friends and partners who have similar values as I do and what other people believe is of no concern to me. This is a prime example of how we've let ourselves be mis-led. They say the group is anti-gays, they label them as a hate group (enemy of the state), therefore they must be demolished and sent to FEMA camps... And from what I'm seeing from the comments, this would happen with the backing of the American people? Seriously?

Comment by Mike Lowery on October 15, 2013 at 9:29am

The AFA are no different than the KKK or American Front!  Hate is hate plain and simple and it is nurtured through ignorance.  Close minded fundamentalists in any organization are ticking time bombs!

Comment by Christopher on October 15, 2013 at 8:24am

I liked what Tara and Alan had to say.

I remember seeing something recently, about a former general in the U.S. Army, who was also a part of the N.S.A. and was intimately associated with the church of satan.

Comment by EDOGZ818 on October 15, 2013 at 1:53am

Most people who openly, rabidly hate gays, generally have one foot out the closet...and the other on a banana peel.

Comment by Alan Wakefield on October 15, 2013 at 1:17am

This nonsense occurs because as a nation and as Christians we have failed to recognize fundamental Truth. There were two spiritual choices in the Garden of Eden, God or satan. When Jesus walked His Earth, He ordered all people to render unto Caesar (representing satan) or render unto God, Creator of everything. For eternity there are ONLY two possible destinations, Heaven, the domain of the Father of Light, or Hell, the eternal "kingdom" of the prince of darkness. Those facts should give everyone a large clue that there ONLY two choices for worship, now and forever, Christ or satan. Here we have American soldiers taught that Christians are a hate group. Who do you think is the "god" of those who lied to those soldiers? Its a no-brainer; the only one that would call a truly Christian organization a "hate group" is a satan worshiper. "Pastor" Fred Phelps would have a hard time convincing me he is Christian: "By his fruits he is known." Love to all, and I mean all.

Comment by Tara on October 14, 2013 at 11:38pm

Yep, too much hate misplaced going around when what we really should be doing as a humanity is joining forces and becoming one. No matter what group we all fall under, we are all getting screwed by the system, so why keep on hating on a group/groups? It's really asinine to me and is divide and conquer played out yet again. When will humanity ever really wake up???

Comment by EDOGZ818 on October 14, 2013 at 10:57pm

I see plenty of "so-called" Christians hating one group or another, so this shouldn't be more of a surprise, than an eye opener.