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CPAC Straw Poll Results 2013: Rand Paul Wins Conservative Vote

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) won the Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll on Saturday, marking an early indicator of conservative support ahead of the next presidential election in 2016.

Paul topped the list and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) came in second, according to Ian Bishop.

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) came in third place this year, with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie -- who was notably not invited to this year's conference -- coming in fourth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/16/cpac-straw-poll-results-20...

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Comment by Warren D Filkins on March 16, 2013 at 6:53pm

Where did Lt. Col. Allen West rate?

Don't count him out !

Comment by Deep Space on March 16, 2013 at 7:18pm

For those who think Rand Paul is a good guy

Comment by Pat Newton on March 16, 2013 at 7:25pm

Interesting,  and good to know.  I for one have been for Paul, this gives me something to think about.  Thank you.

Comment by Deep Space on March 16, 2013 at 7:36pm

He Rand Paul also voted for NDAA. (whoops!)

So basically,

Rand Paul opposes the idea of murdering Americans

with drones

(BUT *ALL* OTHER METHODS ARE SOMEHOW *FAIR GAME*.)

He is satisfied with the response that

only American who haven't been labelled as "enemy combatants",

by the VERY gang of banksters,

who VERY well may want to murder them

for whatever reason suits their agenda;

with the ONLY thing stopping them from murdering *You*,

is that THEY choose not to label *YOU*

as someone they don't want to MURDER.

(i.e. an "enemy combatant)

HELLO???!!!

Dear Rand,

Were you adopted????????

Sincerely,

An Awakened Individual

(plagued with Curiosity Syndrome...)

Comment by Kryptographic on March 16, 2013 at 7:42pm

Hey Space, Rand Paul actually was against the indefinite detention provision and chastised supporters of it. The vids are on youtube.

Here is something from Ran Paul about it:

I have noticed that many are confused by my vote for NDAA. Please allow me to explain.

First, we should be clear about what the bill is. NDAA is the yearly defense authorization bill. It’s primary function is to specify which programs can and can't be funded within the Pentagon and throughout the military. It is not the bill that spends the money—that comes later in an appropriations bill.

Because I think we should spend less, I will offer amendments to cut spending. I will likely vote against the final spending bill. This wasn't it.

This bill also isn’t about indefinite detention. This year's bill did not contain the authorization for indefinite detention.

That provision was in last year's NDAA bill.

The bill this year contained the amendment I supported which sharply limited the detention power, and eliminated it entirely for American citizens in the US. While it is only a partial victory, it was a big victory. Particularly compared to what passed last year. Even so, I will continue to fight to protect anyone who could possibly be indefinitely detained.

http://www.dailypaul.com/265603/rand-paul-explains-ndaa-vote

Comment by Deep Space on March 16, 2013 at 7:48pm

Thanx Krp.

I am going by articles such as this;

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) has been passed again.

By a vote of 98-0, the 2013 NDAA was unanimously passed in the Senate Tuesday evening. Sen. Rockefeller (D-WV) and Sen. Kirk (R-IL) abstained from voting.

The controversial bill authorizes funding for the 2013 military.

Somewhere, in the midst of the $650 billion funding bill, mixed in with $88.5 billion for ongoing wars and $60 billion for the Navy’s F-18 fighter program, remains the indefinite detention clause that had many so upset in 2012.

An amendment to the 2013 NDAA included the right to trial for “citizens and permanent legal residents”, despite the fact that the Constitution demands all accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) angered many of his father’s supporters by voting for the 2013 NDAA.

Doug Stafford, Paul’s chief of staff, stated that Sen. Paul believes that “the full panoply of due process rights should apply to all persons, not just American citizens.” Sen. Paul, however, still voted for the passage of the NDAA.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sen-rand-paul-voted-yes-for-the-650...

Comment by Kryptographic on March 16, 2013 at 7:52pm

Far as the Abby Martin thing, there is a lot of gray area there. We don't know how much Rand was involved in the heckling of Abby. We also don't know the politics behind any of this. People attacked him for his endorsement of Mitt Romney, and I defended it as a smart political chess move. Seems I was correct in that analysis. Thus far anyway.

I worked for the Paul campaign for liberty. So I saw a lot coming I don't think others did that failed to participate. Such as the backdoor deals with Romney that basically set Paul up for 2016. One example right there.

I don't agree with the Abby Martin thing at all, not from what we see on the surface. Though I am smart enough to know, there are more layers to that onion just like any onion. I steer away from conspiracy theory, best I can, and stay with what is logical, and for the most part verifiable or reasonable. Thus I take into account what the Paul's have done to block the establishment and their tireless effort to do far more for this country than any of us, so I reserve my judgments until they may be justly appropriated. We do have a system of checks and balances based on a free society, and I believe those weights and measures of law, may be applied to logic as well.

Time will tell. Until then, I am judging this tree by it's fruits, and they look, taste, and feel, like the fruits of liberty.

Comment by Deep Space on March 16, 2013 at 8:24pm

The Abby Martin scandal is the *least* of my quips.

The guy voted for NDAA 2013.

BIG RED LIGHT.

Comment by Kryptographic on March 16, 2013 at 8:36pm

Big Red light? Why? NDAA is the yearly defense authorization bill. It doesn't have any indefinite detention provision for US citizens and limits detention powers otherwise. Rand Paul fought against the 2012 indefinite detention provision and even brought it up during his 13 hour filibuster. He explains his decision to vote for it here, "... This bill also isn’t about indefinite detention. This year's bill did not contain the authorization for indefinite detention.

That provision was in last year's NDAA bill.

The bill this year contained the amendment I supported which sharply limited the detention power, and eliminated it entirely for American citizens in the US. While it is only a partial victory, it was a big victory. Particularly compared to what passed last year. Even so, I will continue to fight to protect anyone who could possibly be indefinitely detained."

http://www.dailypaul.com/265603/rand-paul-explains-ndaa-vote

Comment by Deep Space on March 16, 2013 at 8:42pm

NDAA 2013 Allows Indefinite Detention Of U.S. Citizens By President

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NDAA 2013 Allows Indefinite Detention Of US Citizens By President

We have all heard the endless list of promises politicians make when campaigning. However, many of these promises go unkept. This appears to be no different for President Barack Obama. While campaigning in 2008, Obama had vehemently promised that he would close down Guantánamo Bay prison.

Now, almost officially into his second term as president, he still has not fulfilled this promise, and with the signing of the National Defense Authorization Act on January 3, it looks like the promise to close Guantánamo Bay prison is just another failed promise. It appears to be “déjà vu all over again” as this time last year the president signed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, and despite the threat of a veto Obama once again signed the NDAA. So, as we get over the shock of a politician failing to keep a promise, it is crucial to ask why did Obama sign the NDAA?

The president expressed in his signing statement that he agreed to sign the NDAA because “it authorizes essential support for service members and their families, renews vital national security programs, and helps ensure that the United States will continue to have the strongest military in the world.” He also went on to express that “the need to renew critical defense authorities and funding was too great” and therefore he could not overlook the bill.

It is important to look at what exactly the defense bill does, and how it affects Americans. Let us first define the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The NDAA is a federal law which is passed every year; it designates the budget and expenses of the U.S. Department of Defense. First off, the National Defense Act of 2013 approves a $633 billion budget for military forces. This is however, the least controversial component of the bill. The NDAA of 2013 has added an array of new and controversial provisions. Of the most controversial provisions, one provision sets forth proscriptions on closing Guantánamo Bay. The bill in particular expands and enforces limits on individuals who can be transferred out of Guantánamo Bay.

But by far the most controversial provision allows for the indefinite imprisonment of U.S. citizens, or as Obama calls it “prolonged detention.” Prolonged detention allows for the detention of an individual without a charge or trial.

This notion of detaining U.S. citizens has people screaming on both sides of the aisle, such as Senator Dianne Feinstein (D - Calif.) and Senator Rand Paul (R - Ky.). Some argue that the bill does not allow the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens because one part of the bill states that it will not change the law in regards to the detention of U.S. citizens. However, with further examination, it becomes clear that another part of the bill actually states that it will change the law. From this, another argument arises which is that the provisions are too vague. With all this in mind, it should be noted that it is left up to the executive branch to decide whether or not it will adopt these powers. The president has made it clear that his administration will not be detaining U.S. citizens.

But nonetheless, this provision in particular has civil liberties activists barking mad. Civil liberties groups believe that this bill further strengthens the power of the federal government and continues to infringe upon our constitutional rights as citizens of the United States of America. Civil liberties groups point out that this is not the only time Obama has signed a bill that he threatened to veto. Executive director of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, Shahid Buttar, made a public statement in regards to the president signing the NDAA. Very poignantly, Buttar noted, “Once again, Obama has failed to lead on Guantánamo and surrendered closure issues to his political opponents in Congress.  In one fell swoop, he has belied his recent lip-service about a continued commitment to closing Guantánamo.”

This argument is shared by many Americans who are disappointed that Obama has signed the NDAA, and argue that he has failed to keep his promise and has failed to take appropriate action when it comes to Guantánamo. But overall, this is a clear example of “politics as usual” and the failure of politicians to act on their promises.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/22288/ndaa-2013-allows-indefinite...

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