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Permalink Reply by Anthony Kimbrough on November 24, 2010 at 10:36pm

Well, after all these years, you blew my mind with this on old woman Bush. Excellent video. Thanks.

Permalink Reply by Robert Carobene on November 24, 2010 at 10:41pm

Well Im glad to have blown your mind lol , this is mind numbing!
Anthony Kimbrough said:

Well, after all these years, you blew my mind with this on old woman Bush. Excellent video. Thanks.

Permalink Reply by Marklar on November 26, 2010 at 7:46pm

This is absolutely fucking retarded in the extreme. Nothing but Christian propaganda. Ozzy is not satanic and did nothing more to promote Crowely than this douche bag has done by making this video. This fool knows jack shit about anything.

Permalink Reply by Robert Carobene on November 26, 2010 at 9:17pm

I wonder if its true that she is Crowley's daughter thats all that is important. All Ozzy ever did was make a song. You can make songs about anything does not make it bad or anything. Just because you sing about war or the devil does not mean you support them. People have to look at the lyrics and see what its said.
Marklar said:

This is absolutely fucking retarded in the extreme. Nothing but Christian propaganda. Ozzy is not satanic and did nothing more to promote Crowely than this douche bag has done by making this video. This fool knows jack shit about anything.

Permalink Reply by Marklar on November 26, 2010 at 11:27pm

Sorry man, but this kind of ignorant crap really pisses me off. Black Sabbath got it's name from a horror movie poster for a film titled Black Sabbath starring Boris Karloff. Being fans of horror movies they ran with the idea to create rock music with a sound and occasionally lyrics in the spirit of the horror movie genre, something that had never really been done before. It only makes sense that Ozzy Osbourne would at some point touch upon the subject of Aleister Crowley in keeping with his horror rock roots.

When I was in high school a christian teacher handed out a pamphlet called Satanism in Rock Music meant to warn kids off of rock music and it's "satanic influence". Much to my shock it sited lyrics from Black Sabbath's song After Forever as an example of satanic lyrics in rock music - "Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope. Do you think he's a fool?" Being a big fan of Black Sabbath and knowing that this song contained the exact OPPOSITE message that they were trying to make it portray by taking the lyrics out of context, I wrote them down that night while playing the song and demanded an apology from the teacher the next day for spreading lies. After seeing the full transcript of the lyrics he gave it to me too.

AFTER FOREVER

Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is He a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath
Or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light
And I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared
At the end of our days

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love


[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/after-forever-lyrics-black-sabbath.html ]

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it is true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve

Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.

- or take the actual lyrics of the song Mr. Crowley

MR. CROWLEY

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course

[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/mr-crowley-lyrics-ozzy-osbourne.html ]

Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

While most of the lyrics are pretty enigmatic this part:

"Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call"

,... doesn't exactly sound like a love letter does it.

The fact is, I think that the reason some christians see Satan everywhere and produce crap like this is that it gives them the EXACT SAME horror movie thrill that Black Sabbath delivered to it's fans through music. The difference is that Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath didn't have to spread malicious lies about people in order to do it.

Of course MANY actual satanists made the same ignorant assumptions about the band that christians often do and if you'd care to look for them I'm sure you can find plenty of interviews online where the band talks bout the freaks that would come out of the wood work to worship Satan with them and the cold shoulder the band gave them.

These days there are plenty of ACTUAL satanic bands in the Black Metal scene but they aren't a tenth as well known or a tenth as talented as Ozzy Osbourne so they aren't as convenient a target for evangelical con men who want to scare you into buying a poorly produced video for $19.95.



Robert Carobene said:

I wonder if its true that she is Crowley's daughter thats all that is important. All Ozzy ever did was make a song. You can make songs about anything does not make it bad or anything. Just because you sing about war or the devil does not mean you support them. People have to look at the lyrics and see what its said.
Marklar said:

This is absolutely fucking retarded in the extreme. Nothing but Christian propaganda. Ozzy is not satanic and did nothing more to promote Crowely than this douche bag has done by making this video. This fool knows jack shit about anything.

Permalink Reply by Robert Carobene on November 26, 2010 at 11:56pm

Yeak man I am a big Ozzy fan also and Black Sabbath and this music helped me get through High school and I l have every album. Now we hear hes a satanist and also now he in the Illuminati. Ozzy is like an actor in a horror movie, except he sings, now they go around saying that Linda Blair is a satanist because she was possesed in The Exorcist. The one question I have is Barbara Bush the daughter of Crowley but how Ozzy gets involved besides that song is nonsense. Black Sabbath and Ozzy took music to new heights where other after thenm created black metal such as Venom, Slayer then a bit later Hellhammer/CelticFrost ather bands were Possessed and Destruction. People come top me and tell me not to listen to Ozzy but that is nothing new, Ever since I got invloved in metal back in 85 its the same story but nowit seems that people involve the Illumianti with Ozzy and its all nonsense. and

Marklar said:

Sorry man, but this kind of ignorant crap really pisses me off. Black Sabbath got it's name from a horror movie poster for a film titled Black Sabbath starring Boris Karloff. Being fans of horror movies they ran with the idea to create rock music with a sound and occasionally lyrics in the spirit of the horror movie genre, something that had never really been done before. It only makes sense that Ozzy Osbourne would at some point touch upon the subject of Aleister Crowley in keeping with his horror rock roots.

When I was in high school a christian teacher handed out a pamphlet called Satanism in Rock Music meant to warn kids off of rock music and it's "satanic influence". Much to my shock it sited lyrics from Black Sabbath's song After Forever as an example of satanic lyrics in rock music - "Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope. Do you think he's a fool?" Being a big fan of Black Sabbath and knowing that this song contained the exact OPPOSITE message that they were trying to make it portray by taking the lyrics out of context, I wrote them down that night while playing the song and demanded an apology from the teacher the next day for spreading lies. After seeing the full transcript of the lyrics he gave it to me too.

AFTER FOREVER

Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is He a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath
Or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light
And I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared
At the end of our days

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love


[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/after-forever-lyrics-black-sabbath.html ]

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it is true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve

Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.

- or take the actual lyrics of the song Mr. Crowley

MR. CROWLEY

Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead
Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course

[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/mr-crowley-lyrics-ozzy-osbourne.html ]

Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

While most of the lyrics are pretty enigmatic this part:

"Your lifestyle to me seemed so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all those people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call"

,... doesn't exactly sound like a love letter does it.

The fact is, I think that the reason some christians see Satan everywhere and produce crap like this is that it gives them the EXACT SAME horror movie thrill that Black Sabbath delivered to it's fans through music. The difference is that Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath didn't have to spread malicious lies about people in order to do it.

Of course MANY actual satanists made the same ignorant assumptions about the band that christians often do and if you'd care to look for them I'm sure you can find plenty of interviews online where the band talks bout the freaks that would come out of the wood work to worship Satan with them and the cold shoulder the band gave them.

These days there are plenty of ACTUAL satanic bands in the Black Metal scene but they aren't a tenth as well known or a tenth as talented as Ozzy Osbourne so they aren't as convenient a target for evangelical con men who want to scare you into buying a poorly produced video for $19.95.



Robert Carobene said:

I wonder if its true that she is Crowley's daughter thats all that is important. All Ozzy ever did was make a song. You can make songs about anything does not make it bad or anything. Just because you sing about war or the devil does not mean you support them. People have to look at the lyrics and see what its said.
Marklar said:

This is absolutely fucking retarded in the extreme. Nothing but Christian propaganda. Ozzy is not satanic and did nothing more to promote Crowely than this douche bag has done by making this video. This fool knows jack shit about anything.

Permalink Reply by Fred Black on November 27, 2010 at 6:42am

Two different unrelated files spliced into one.

The first - A J and Freeman discussing Barbara Bush (nee Pierce).

There are coincidences of associations in particular time lines Re: Pauline Pierce (nee Robinson), her friend Nellie O'Hara, and the possibility the two friends were both attendants in Ordo Templi Orientis and engaged in a sexual ritual with Crowley in 1924.

It's a nice conspiracy, I don't think it could ever be proven true or false.

I agree with Marklar, the second file spliced into this video is a load of shite. Some tosser with no clue. There is a saying; those who know don't tell, those who don't never stop talking about it.

Permalink Reply by Robert Carobene on November 27, 2010 at 6:25pm

its all made to get video hits lol
Fred Black said:

Two different unrelated files spliced into one.

The first - A J and Freeman discussing Barbara Bush (nee Pierce).

There are coincidences of associations in particular time lines Re: Pauline Pierce (nee Robinson), her friend Nellie O'Hara, and the possibility the two friends were both attendants in Ordo Templi Orientis and engaged in a sexual ritual with Crowley in 1924.

It's a nice conspiracy, I don't think it could ever be proven true or false.

I agree with Marklar, the second file spliced into this video is a load of shite. Some tosser with no clue. There is a saying; those who know don't tell, those who don't never stop talking about it.

Permalink Reply by Robert Carobene on December 2, 2010 at 10:40am

Well its suppose to mean rock on but the you have the power elites all doing this sign alson and it does make sense since all these power elites are into the occult.
Rolf Ungar said:

We can disagree about Ozzy, his lyrics, and his act, but one thing is for certain:
The entertainment industry has been familiarizing, and indoctrinating the public with occult symbols and concepts for a very long time. The industry is filled with adherents to satanic groups, and it if one understands that those who will worship Satan are given great power, and wealth, it is easy to see why so many in music and Hollywood are involved in various occult groups.
It is impossible to go to a rock show and not see people giving the hand sign of the devil's horns, which many are deceived into thinking just means "Rock On!".