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Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 9, 2012 at 12:22pm

We Are free

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It takes courage to defend what is left. But it takes even more courage to create something new.

Permalink Reply by T. HuMaN on December 9, 2012 at 2:32pm

As for currency beyond barter; a local currency would suffice (many types exist such as Ithaca Hours) if the amount of currency does not exceed the amount of real wealth that can be produced per year via the land or products people make. There a re some exceptions to this, but on the whole it would work pretty good.

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 9, 2012 at 3:09pm

The best business is business without money.

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 10, 2012 at 12:38am

Barter trade was abandoned because it was not practical to carry around your merchandise and look for something you need. There were marketplaces where you could exchange the goods but that is small scale business. We have the internet to exchange information of what we can offer and what we seek to have. People posting wish lists and offer lists can exchange their goods more easily. The merchandise can be kept in the store room until a trade is agreed upon. The wish lists and the offer lists can then be updated with no explanations. You can always say that your thousand pounds of potatoes just rotted away. Individuals can make contracts where goods are paid with other goods or work. Services can be exchanged for services and goods, without money. Certainly there would be some goods that would be more sought after than the others and could be used like money by posting them on your offer list.

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 10, 2012 at 5:30am

Ithaca hours, a good idea.

Permalink Reply by mystery on December 9, 2012 at 8:10pm

I know of a place similar to this. It is a 400 some odd acres of property, 30 or less people live on. They are allowed 90 days before construction beings. You have to pay $25,000.00 to the trust. It goes to the trust fund to be used as voted on by the people who received one share of stock for their money. (Note, recently because of some conflict of selling off a residence it was found the trust was structured more like a corporation) You are assigned a lot to use, you never own the land only the structure on the land. Building is only allowed on one side of a mile long lake that sits on the property. The other side of the lake is left to wild life. Nothing is produced from this place but it could be done with some work. It has the basic structure but is far from what would be needed for people to survive a world changing event what ever it may come in the form of. People would have to agree on a lot of issues within a structure such as this. If we could ever find that many like minded people it would be a miracle. Then it would be a struggle to keep the government off the doorstep. The first thing I figure the government would cry would be cult or commune. That"s a whole other issue unto itself. 

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 9, 2012 at 11:06pm

The more people come to think about this the more real it will become. A society of a hundred families is much more difficult to bully than mere individuals.

Permalink Reply by mystery on December 9, 2012 at 11:48pm

You then have to consider the government, how would the people stop the government?

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 10, 2012 at 12:04am

People have to become part of the government, honest and free people, non-puppets. Whether there is enough time left to change or stop the government is irrelevant. If we let the evil agenda to unfold we'll be decimated anyway, like vermin. They are already feeding pesticides like fluoride and other poisons to us. It is time for everybody to rise up and reclaim his right for freedom and life. Then, at least you have tried.

Permalink Reply by Less Prone on December 11, 2012 at 5:21am

There is of course a possibility to move out to a country where the abuse system is less advanced. Then you don't have to wait for the confrontation with the evil in the near future. However, the system is global. Moving to another country should be used to regroup the forces of good and decent people together. There will be blood and guts on the streets.