PASSENGER JET SHOT DOWN OVER UKRAINE
Malaysian Plane 'Shot Down' With 295 On Board
A Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur comes down in Ukraine after reportedly being hit by a ground-to-air missile.
A passenger plane with 295 people on board has been shot down as it flew above eastern Ukraine, according to aviation sources.
The Malaysia Airlines plane, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) when it was shot down, Russia's Interfax reported.
An adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry said the Boeing 777 was brought down by a Buk ground-to-air missile.
All 280 passengers and 15 crew members who were on the plane are believed to have died, he added.
The Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine. Pic: Andreas Fietz
A spokesman for Malaysian Airlines, still reeling from the loss of flight MH370 in March, confirmed it had lost contact with flight MH17, which took off from Amsterdam at 12.14pm local time.
The flight disappeared from radar as it flew over Ukrainian airspace, the spokesman said.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk ordered an immediate investigation into what he described as a "catastrophe", while his Malaysian counterpart Mohd Najib Tun Razak said he was "shocked".
Alexander Borodai, the eastern Ukraine separatist leader, claimed the airliner was shot down by Ukrainian government forces, although officials in Kiev denied any involvement.
The plane's last known position over Ukraine. Pic: Flightradar24/Twitter
There has been no official comment from authorities in Russia.
Sky's Katie Stallard, in Moscow, said media reports suggest the plane came down in the Donetsk region, where there has been recent heavy fighting amid continuing tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
Data from Flightradar24 suggests the plane had just passed the city of Kremenchuk, around 300km (186 miles) from the Russian border, when it disappeared.
Several videos apparently filmed in the area, none of which Sky News has been able to independently verify, show plumes of thick, black smoke rising high into the air.
A Reuters correspondent at the scene, close to the village of Grabovo, said he could see the wreckage of a burning aircraft and bodies on the ground.
Aviation expert Major Charles Hayman told Sky News: "It's highly likely this aircraft was flying along a fault line between Russian and Ukrainian defences.
"It’s possible the Ukrainians flapped a bit, thought it was hostile and shot it down.
"Perhaps it was confusion at the Ukrainian air defence centre.
"It looks like someone failed to recognise this was a civilian plane and shot it down."
A spokesman for Boeing said it was aware of reports of MH17's disappearance, while a Foreign Office official added: "We're urgently working to establish what has happened."
The White House said US President Barack Obama had spoken to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and asked his advisers to keep him updated.
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Permalink Reply by Not mainstreamer on
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The main suspect is Ukraine. An independent investigation should pretty fast be able to establish from where the missile was launched. The separatists also want an investigation. So far it looks the war in Eastern Ukraine has to pause for some time. Probably not that welcomed by the bankers.
Media experts are telling us "Russia" has to be punished. The more "punishment" they talk about the more loss of credibility they risk. We don't have to rush to facts.
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Permalink Reply by Tara on
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Pro-Russian Rebel Leader Claims Malaysia Airlines Passengers 'Were ...
In a bizarre post on VK.com, the Russian equivalent of Facebook, Strelkov asserted that corpses strewn about the crash scene in the rural eastern Ukrainian village of Grabovo were “bloodless” and insinuated that Kiev may have deliberately shot the plane down as part of some sinister plan.
Strelkov claimed that he had spoken to "two people who personally collected the bodies immediately after the crash" and that they had “stressed that many corpses were ‘entirely bloodless’ — as if their blood had clotted long before the accident.”
Furthermore, he wrote, “the plane was discovered with a large quantity of drugs, blood serum and other things, which is not characteristic for a conventional airliner. It seems that there was some sort of special medical cargo."
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Permalink Reply by space wabbit on
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Tara - I believe some (or all) of the bodies were the original passengers of the first Malaysian plane that disappeared in March 2014 and after the hi-jackers killed them they drained their blood and kept them in a cooler to slow the decomposition - knowing they were going to load up the "missing" Malaysian plane with dead bodies and blame Putin and Russia for the so-called bombing and killing of the badly decomposed bodies onboard. I believe this is the missing "Malaysian plane" from March 2014 complete with the dead bodies as passengers. I'll bet there was not even a pilot on board - as this is a ROBOT plane that can be flown remotely by computer. I think we have an answer!
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Permalink Reply by JUST DEFIANCE on
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That occurred to me too.
Question comes from it then, where are the actual passengers of MA flight MH17?
If they are still alive, I bet they've been paid-off by zion, to 'disappear' into assumed identities, paid-off with new lives, new wives, and the rest, in some non-descript whiteguy series of locations across the globe. [We need photos of the alleged victims, to spread across the 'net!] Looking in whiteguy, upper-class suburbs, anywhere! If they've taken the bribes, having no choice of course, they'd have been well 'compensated'.
Agreeing with Space Wabbit's proposition, it's good the Ukraine Dissidents, as reported, have removed the bodies they recovered, and, I'd expect and hope, have been sent to Russia for identification, and autopsies.
As Space Wabbit adds, about this one being the 1st MA plane that disappeared in March, if the pro-Russian forces can grab enough of the plane's wreckage for analysis, there'll be the evidence of a western OOOWH NOOO!???? conspiracy!
As this does seem a high likelihood, it's no wonder the western zionist 'investigators' [HAHAHA!] claim they cannot get to the crash site, because 'drunk militants' were stopping them. GO THE DRUNKS!!!
I don't recall what other 'events' were 'hot' when the 1st MA flight disappeared, but someone will. No surprises expected that something Middle-Eastern, closely connected to some zionist warlike activities, was being staged.
Mad bastards, fucking zionists! AND..., I'm surrounded by the idiots!? The nearest farmhouse, to my 'forest hide' has been taken over by them! War to the end of time, for me!
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Complexer and complexer?
No point seen of Malaysia being in-the-main, a Muslim nation.
"Bloodless corpses"?
"...a large quantity of drugs, blood serum..."?
News in Australia says that some 100 on that flight were on way to attending an HIV AIDS conference in Melbourne.
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Complexer and complexer?
No point seen of Malaysia being in-the-main, a Muslim nation.
"Bloodless corpses"?
"...a large quantity of drugs, blood serum..."?
News in Australia says that some 100 on that flight were on way to attending an HIV AIDS conference in Melbourne.
We'll probably never know who nor why this happened.
Nowadays, I find it impossible, and stupid, to trust ANY news reports.
"Intercepted call between separatist and Russian military!" Sure?
"BUK launcher being 'smuggled into Russia', short of two missiles?" Sure?
Can anyone but say, 5,000 locals, confirm [if there are pics] the site and date the pic of that 'smuggled' launcher' was taken? ET cetera?
What evidence can be confirmed and trusted as to where the rocket was launched from. All military have the technology to fire a rocket "how far", and programmed to target any specific 'jet' or other high tech piece of equipment.
I don't know the range of this BUK type, but shit, it could have been fired from ISRAEL, for all we're told?
All western, zionist govts, [Australia's idiot PM Abbortt, amongst them, with presumptions of blame too early] are too quickly blaming Russia and pro-Russian Ukraine Separatists.
These buffoon western puppet govts' stooges expose themselves with their unverified assertions demanding Russia answer as if guilty. THAT, tells me it's more likely they are 'spinning it' because they think they have, or do have, control of the majority of the world's minds, via the right wing, anti-Socialist media.
Here, our catholic [high likelihood pedophile] Jesuit federal opposition leader Bill Shorten, is also casting aspersions at Russia, making it obvious he's playing ball with the right wing, pro-Israel, zionist govt. That he too, too quickly points the finger, makes this that much less likely to actually be any Russian plot.
And, reports and 'experts' suggest it was merely an accident, as per the alleged intercepted call. So.., all conspiracies are on hold. However, this age is drowning in not theories, but actual conspiracies. We see daily how callous the world's leading forces are, and, by reading the historical facts, have always been. So, to the mad warmongers of the west, a mere 300 civilian aircraft passengers is nothing, compared to their final goals and booty. As likely it's a distraction and way to soften reaction to the nearly 300 Palestinians killed in the last week. Or..., to STUN the world into silence, futility, cowering back into their Gameboys, etc?
Too 'convenient' with Israel now stepping into Gaza. "Cause as many scary distractions as possible!" is part-and-parcel with the modern warfare by the ZERO-Honor west.
Germany's Merkel said yesserday "Israel has the right to defend itself", in another western hemisphere, pro-zion coward's running from the evil of zion.
We must be very near to "Armageddon Day" [aka, the Israeli M.A.D. "Mutually Assured Destruction" threats by which Israel has blackmailed the world into cowering for the last few decades, since, I estimate, Israel built up significant-enough nuke warheads in her bunkers] from all this eager to placate and license Israel's expansionist programs.
Or, maybe the world's top five airlines want to lower the competition by removing Malaysian Airlines? [Sorry....? But, this type of madness, is very much what 'corporate cRapitalism' as a means of controlling the planet, reduces itself to doing. But other than it possibly being aimed at Islam and Malaysia's own Muslim Peoples, nothing is now out of the question.]
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I must be close? This was prevented from going up to the 12160 site, hence why I posted the longer stuff again.
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Pieces to consider;
Germany has relied on Russian gas for it's energy and heating, and Russia has been less forthcoming since the Ukraine civil war took off. Indeed, Russia and China are talking about that trade.
Merkel's acquiescing to Israel's bombing and invasion of Gaza, may be linked to an unconfirmed piece of video news about Gaza sitting on a massive deposit of natural gas, the alleged real reason for the Israeli invasion.
Who's good at zigsaw puzzles?
A coalition of nations must Unite to condemn the Israeli invasion. And, which other nations side with the zionists? Well..., who of the west is NOT zionist now?
So, which nations of the zionist alignment stands to benefit from any gas [if it's underneath Gaza], if Israel gets it?
Assessments point to Germany 1st. But, of course, if Germany has gone to Russia, other Euro nations are in the same situation, of needing gas, etc. Surprise, surprise! NOT!
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Permalink Reply by Dr Yuri Zhivago on
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Kremlin-backed insurgents now claim Malaysia Airlines plane was carrying corpses https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-insurgents-...
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so they're turning large planes into drones now to be used as political fodder?
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